Labor concedes Tasmanian election, leaving Liberals to negotiate with new crossbench ( www.abc.net.au )

  • In short: Tasmanian Labor leader Rebecca White says it will be up to the Liberal Party to try to negotiate with the new crossbench and form a government.
  • The Liberals need 18 votes in the lower house to govern but will finish with between 14 and 16 seats — meaning they will likely need the help of the Jacqui Lambie Network and the independents.
  • What's next? Rebecca White's leadership position will automatically become vacant but she has not indicated if she will put her hand up for it again.
Arfman ,

Perhaps whoever they vote in as the next leader will be able to negotiate with the cross bench for supply and demand and will not be encumbered to the promise that White made of that making deals to form minority government.

dillekant ,

Pretty scummy. We elect representatives and they have a duty to try and form a government. If they don't want to form government then vacate the slot.

MHLoppy OP , (edited )
MHLoppy avatar

[Based on ABC's calls] They would've needed the support of every other non-Coalition non-Liberal member to successfully form a minority government, which they might have considered untenable.

Zagorath ,
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Yeah if you're going only on the seats that have been officially called so far on the ABC, it looks premature. Labor + Greens have more seats than LNP. But dig in more and the likely winners of spots not yet called, and it paints a very different picture. Heaps more LNP is likely, and it's just a question of which ones get in.

MHLoppy OP ,
MHLoppy avatar

Following up (more generally than at your reply specifically), our lord and saviour Antony Green has the following counts/predictions:

  • Liberal: 13, possibly up to 15 (with 14-15 sounding more likely than 13 based on other coverage)
  • Labor: 10, with an unlikely 11
  • Greens: 4, with a good chance of 5
  • JLN: 2, with an unlikely 3
  • IND: 2

Additionally, Labor apparently said (quoting ABC news coverage) they were unwilling to form government with Greens, so rip.

Zagorath ,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

Labor apparently said (quoting ABC news coverage) they were unwilling to form government with Greens

lol bs. They can afford to say that because they know it's not feasible. 100% if Labor + Greens had a combined majority, but Labor alone did not, they'd do it.

But honestly I fucking hate that Labor pulls this shit. We need to embrace coalitions (lower case c!!), not play into the LNP's anti-democratic bullshit.

TassieTosser ,

It's been a thing since the disastrous Labor-Greens minority govt in 2010. The Greens held up Labor's legislative agenda to get concessions around environmental issues. The end result was the utter bollocking by the Liberals in 2014. Suggesting Labor work with the Greens in Tas has been poison since.

Zagorath ,
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I think you've got a mistaken memory here.

The Greens blocked passage of Kevin Rudd's CPRS in 2009. This is before the minority Gillard Government. And the reason they did it is because Rudd's policy wasn't "good even if it's not perfect". It was terrible. Independent Treasury modelling said it would have no beneficial effect for 25 years. Even now, so far on, we'd have more than a decade left before it even began to improve anything. Rudd, it is quite well known, was an incredibly egotistical man, and this policy shows it perfectly. He would rather risk throwing out his entire Government than be seen to negotiate with the Senate in a democratic manner.

Then Gillard came along and we got the minority Government aided by the Greens and independents. Gillard was an impeccable politician. Very well-liked among her colleagues, something Rudd could not claim. And very willing to work with others in order to arrive at a better end result. She negotiated with the Greens and the cross-bench to pass the Clean Energy Act, among other policies. The CEA was an incredible, world-leading effective climate policy. We actually saw pollution go down while it was in effect. It worked using what economists recommended as best practice climate policy: a short fixed-price period leading in to an emissions trading scheme. This was falsely characterised by the right-wing media and the LNP as a "carbon tax", and Labor did a very poor job of even attempting to correct the lies.

And so Abbott got in and undid all that excellent work. But that was Abbott. Abbott, the right-wing media who supported him, and the voters who fell for those lies are the ones to blame for our infection on climate. The Greens were a big part of the reason we even had good policy in the first place, they are not at fault for its removal.

Additionally, outside of climate policy, the Gillard Government was far from disastrous in a very real sense. They demonstrably did not hold up Labor's legislative agenda. Because that was a time period where we saw enormous amounts of bills get passed. More than any Prime Minister before her, on a per-day basis. That's just a simple objective fact.

Subjectively, it was also very good on the quality of legislation passed. The environment policy above has already been covered, but that time period is also when we introduced the NDIS. It's when the actual Bill to legislate for the NBN got passed. It brought in changes to Howard's school chaplaincy to require the chaplains have specific relevant qualifications and allow the hiring of secular roles in this function. Plain cigarette packaging. And more.

Be careful not to blindly repeat the misinformation that serves the LNP's best interests. It simply does not hold up to scrutiny.

maniacalmanicmania ,
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I thought @TassieTosser was talking about state politics as in the Labor-Greens of 2010 to 2014.

TassieTosser ,

Yes @Zagorath, I was talking about state politics. The issue we have in Tas is that a not-insignificant portion of Labor's union base is tied to the forestry sector. That's at odds with the Green's position to end all native forest logging. More recently we have the salmon farms issue where Labor is in favour of continuing while the Greens want it gone. Labor is too tied up with primary industries here and the foreign-owned primary industries aren't interested in sustainability.

AllNewTypeFace ,
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Who are the independents? Are we talking teals or cookers?

TassieTosser ,

Krisite Johnson, closer to the Greens, and David O'Byrne, ex-Labor leader who got done in by sexual harassment allegations.

dillekant ,

To maybe make my point clear: The Greens didn't "concede", and neither did JLN. Labor appears to be stating (although the auto-summary below seems to throw some grey area in here) that they're just not interested in a minority government, and I just don't think that's what the voters wanted them to do here.

autotldr Bot ,

This is the best summary I could come up with:


In her speech last night, Ms White said there could be a chance for Labor to implement its agenda, depending "on how things play out over the next few weeks".

Earlier on Sunday, Premier Jeremy Rockliff said he had already made contact with those likely to be sitting on the crossbench after Saturday's election.

"I look forward to discussions over the course of the coming week, I have already reached out to potential independents and indeed the Lambie party as well," Mr Rockliff said.

Mr Rockliff said he was confident his party could form minority government but the Liberals would not attempt to negotiate with the Greens.

The Jacqui Lambie Network (JLN) appears a major chance at winning three seats in the next parliament – one each in Bass, Braddon and Lyons.

Ms Johnston has been a vocal critic of the Liberals throughout the last term of government, particularly around integrity matters and the state's racing industry.


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