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aleph ,
@aleph@lemm.ee avatar

I've defended lemmy.ml in the past when people have blamed the entire instance for the actions of a solitary, overzealous moderator, but this genuinely concerns me:

https://feddit.nl/pictrs/image/9c52e470-645f-46ba-ac1d-0b7d8be17af3.png

This must have been action taken at the instance admin level, considering all those communities have different moderators.

Is there any way to probe the modlog to see which account it was?

FaceDeer ,
FaceDeer avatar

I would imagine that if an admin is doing this the modlog could simply be faked, you wouldn't be able to trust anything that the instance is reporting to the outside world.

goferking0 , (edited )

Why, so you can censor some more posts critical of China?

The modlog of this sub is absolutely ridiculous:

Guessing that was the comment they made to trigger it. Seems perfectly reasonable after starting off just attacking them

Dude literally started it by doing comment in their mod request post

@SpaceCadet@feddit.nl avatar SpaceCadet : Why, so you can censor some more posts critical of China?... answered Memes needs moderators by @dessalines@lemmy.ml avatar dessalines in Memes

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

The criticism is warranted. They don’t even equally apply their own rules depending on context

goferking0 ,

They're doing it specifically to piss off the mods. That's the context. It was the pinned mod request for it

@SpaceCadet@feddit.nl avatar SpaceCadet : Why, so you can censor some more posts critical of China?... answered Memes needs moderators by @dessalines@lemmy.ml avatar dessalines in Memes

uhN0id ,
@uhN0id@programming.dev avatar

Perfectly reasonable to ban someone from completely unrelated communities like mechanical keyboard and arch Linux? Come on. It's not like they're throwing out toxic terms or criticizing on a personal level. They're questioning the way things are being modded. Those aren't even attacks.

sudneo ,

They banned from the instance. Apparently the fact that you get banned from hosted communities is just a new feature.

aleph , (edited )
@aleph@lemm.ee avatar

I think you have a very different definition of "perfectly reasonable" than most people.

Socsa ,

This is actually more evidence that the Lemmy devs run a modified version of the code which gives them the ability to, eg do things like dole out mass community bans. There is also some evidence that they selectively federate the mod log as well. It all points to the obvious conclusion that these people can and will abuse their power in any way they can.

WanderingVentra ,

I'm pretty sure any admin could do that with their Lemmy server, couldn't they?

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy ,

Yes, an admin probably has access to community level moderation rights and the lemmy API is not difficult to figure out.

It would be trivial to come up with a script to go through the community page, get all the current communities and iterate through them banning a user in each of them.

vorpuni ,
@vorpuni@jlai.lu avatar

I have had comments removed and could never see why. Now I just block their instances.

They roleplay as communist censors since that's all they can afford to do from their positions.

Eldritch ,
@Eldritch@lemmy.world avatar

Gonna put this out there. Ended up in a thread on ML the other day. The poster/admin got a little unhinged, over 4 down votes. 4. Took to the admin panel to see who dared down vote him. Convinced he had been the victim of the tiniest not swarm ever.

1000001794

It's troubling behavior for anyone with power.

Pili ,

You gotta admit, it's very suspicious to be massively downvoted (25, not 4) over an inconspicuous comment that merely highlights a few paragraphs of the linked article.

I know I would also be wondering if there was a pattern in the origin of those downvotes.

Hubi ,
@Hubi@lemmy.world avatar

Downvotes are public on Lemmy fyi. There are interfaces that show who voted on a post or comment.

Eldritch ,
@Eldritch@lemmy.world avatar

For admins, yes. I was pointing that out in the picture of the responses I posted. But not for General users.

Hubi , (edited )
@Hubi@lemmy.world avatar

Even regular users can see them through other federated services like kbin AFAIK. They show up under likes and dislikes.

GBU_28 ,

I see downvotes

heads ,

I can see them through the lemmy reader app I use.

Speculater ,
@Speculater@lemmy.world avatar

They specifically obfuscate which mods take what actions so you can't appeal or even defend.

sudneo ,

Tbh, also harass a mod. People get quite worked out when being moderated, and being a mod is enough work without people chasing you to argue with you or straight up harass you, I suppose.
At least, I can see plenty of good reasons to hide the moderator name.

Speculater ,
@Speculater@lemmy.world avatar

Then have a mod box or something. What they currently do is, "Post removed. Reason. Rule 1."

No details, no appeal, nada.

sudneo ,

What does this have to do with showing mod log? Genuinely confused

Speculater ,
@Speculater@lemmy.world avatar

If they act on a post or comment, there's no way to ask why or see what their actual reasoning was. So it allows blanket censorship without a paper trail.

sudneo ,

It does, but it's an online forum, not an essential service, and easy to replace.
On the other hand, being there with your name or nickname exposes you to harassment from those pissed at you for your decision.

I would say it's an acceptable evil given the circumstances.

As a side note: asking why after a mod action is almost universally pointless. Moderating is free work and a level of subjectivity is implied. I think not having the ability to argue is infuriating but understandable.

vorpuni ,
@vorpuni@jlai.lu avatar

My experience with them is you can't even find the modlog if you look when they remove comments. I guess they don't federate it and/or it only shows if you're logged in?

Good incentives to block their instances.

neshura ,
@neshura@bookwormstory.social avatar

To quote the reason why calling out mods by name from a previous encounter I had with them: "removed for doxxing"

So yeah I think you're giving them too much credit here

sudneo ,

I am not sure I understood. You called some mod by name and they removed the comment? If that's the case, I perfectly understand and agree with the decision tbh.

That said, this is a general argument, not referred to any particular mod. I think that many people get angry when their content is moderated and they might want to harass/argue/avenge against the mod who took that action.

neshura ,
@neshura@bookwormstory.social avatar

You agree that tagging the username of a mod (wasn't even one it was an admin) is doxxing? If so, you're delusional.

Mod names are visible by default on my instance so if taking a look there and then mentioning the username you see there is doxxing good luck with the rest of your life. You can't have a system where everyone can easily find out who performed a mod action and then claim you were "doxxed"

sudneo ,

No sorry, you said name as in the person's name, I did not understand "username".

neshura ,
@neshura@bookwormstory.social avatar

well in this particular case it wouldn't have mattered, I used the username but the admin in question has their clear name set as the display name (which made the whole "doxxing" claim even funnier to me)

kuato ,

Only admins can do site bans. What you're seeing is a hacky/temporary feature of the upcoming Lemmy v19.4, of which lemmy.ml is running the pre-release: when an admin bans someone from the site (temp or otherwise), it also automatically bans them from any community they have ever participated in. Lemmy.ml has always been the "beta" instance for new releases.

aleph , (edited )
@aleph@lemm.ee avatar

Ah, that makes sense. Thanks for the heads up.

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