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madcaesar ,

Fuck Jack Smith, fuck Merrick Garland and fuck Joe Biden.

You fuckers had FOUR FUCKING YEARS and did absolutely NOTHING.

And don't give me this shit about justice moving slowly, watch a black man get arrested for 10oz of weed and watch justice work at warp speed.

Kyrgizion ,

I feel like Smith at least tried while he had his hands tied by the people who were supposed to make his job easier.
History will not be kind to any of them though, circumstances be damned. I hope at least some of them have to live with the consequences of their own actions, but I feel very sorry indeed for the millions who had no hand in the decision.

d00phy ,

Y’all are also overlooking the judge on the case is a straight up Trump puppet. She’s probably done more to slow that case down than anyone.

FlyingSquid ,
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In desperate situations, things get leaked.

This was a desperate situation.

It should have been leaked.

d00phy ,

I feel like it still can be. Even if it isn’t released before the inauguration, it would be great if it wound up on something similar to (and less bootlicky than) Wikileaks.

FlyingSquid ,
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What difference would it make?

d00phy ,

Honest grown-up reason is for history’s sake. Today’s answer is we have to chip away at him. I’ve seen a lot of threads asking former Trump voters what he did that crossed a line for them. Keep highlighting the shit he does and people will see it. It’s not the only angle of attack, but it shouldn’t be ignored.

Plus, if you remember his first term, leaks drive him up the wall (leading home to say/do more dumb shit people will hear/see). I think that’s reason enough to wait for him to be in office to leak it. Someone should anonymously send it to a respected foreign news source like Le Monde or Die Welt. Once it’s published, sources like AP and Reuters have to pick it up.

FlyingSquid ,
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I don't disagree for history's sake, but don't expect it to make a damn bit of difference.

ReallyActuallyFrankenstein , (edited )

It might not make an immediate difference, but it's a huge loss if this report never sees the light of day. It's another tetrapod on the beach of reality. The sea of disinformation is at high tide at the moment, but maybe eventually the tide ebbs, and everything we can do to prevent erosion helps.

I welcome anything to help avoid us becoming another Russia and succumb to the nihilism of cynical hypernormalization.

djsp , (edited )

respected foreign news source like Le Monde or Die Welt

Die Welt is not or should not be respected. It belongs to Axel Springer SE, a European media corporation comparable in both reach and tone to Fox News Media in the United States.

Die Welt's latest controversy –one among many– saw them publish an opinion piece by Elon Musk endorsing the AfD, which further legitimized the party and weakened the already debilitating cordon sanitaire around it.

In the German-speaking world, Die Welt is mocked as the “wannabe's Bild”. Bild is a tabloid published by the same company that constantly engages in both misinformation and disinformation. Although Die Welt isn't as blatant as its tabloid sibling, it still pushes a disingenuous narrative and should be avoided.

d00phy ,

TBH, I pulled 2 foreign papers straight out of my butt. My point still stands: if a foreign paper, preferably in a country with strong press protections, publishes it there’s not much Trump can do beyond search for the original leaker (which would happen anyway).

djsp ,

My point still stands

Yes, it does, and I agree with it. I should have stated as much in my comment. I didn't because I generally prefer upvotes to “well argued” or “I agree”.

Nougat ,

Keep highlighting the shit he does …

Like what’s been going on for the last decade at least? That worked so well.

disguy_ovahea ,

I don’t think anything short of conviction would have made a difference in the election.

Several witnesses from the documents case came forward with horribly incriminating firsthand accounts of the crimes. Even when the stories reached his supporters, they just dismissed or defended against them.

atomicorange ,

They waited two years to even START investigating. This is absolutely Garland’s failure.

UsernameHere ,

There were thousands of people involved in the January 6th insurrection. All of them had their own cases. All of those cases had witnesses and suspects that had to be investigated. All of this had to be done while trying to build a case against the most powerful man in America. A case that would actually win against Trump, owner of judges.

At no point was this investigation not moving forward until Trump had one of his judges delay it.

This effort to demonize the people who try to convict Trump is obvious.

madcaesar ,

Bullshit, this was just a case of not wanting to convict Trump because it would set a precedent where rich and ex presidents could be held accountable. That's why everyone dragged their feet.

Even the Jan 6th foot soldier morons where there was faaar less evidence against them got pounded by the system. Meanwhile the top asshole got to keep golfing.

UsernameHere ,

The case was moving forward the entire time until Trump stopped it.

Trump has been open about how he will get revenge against people who he doesn’t like.

It seems like you’re trying to manufacturer consent for when Trump gets revenge or redirect the blame away from Trump.

madcaesar ,

Wtf are you on about? I hate Trump with a passion and he deserves to be in jail.

ShepherdPie ,

And don't give me this shit about justice moving slowly

Yeah that was the stock response I got when I made this same argument a few weeks ago, but even Biden has now stated that the DOJ dragged their feet on prosecuting him. Waiting until after the primaries when he'd already won the nomination to file charges meant that this was doomed from the start.

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