Commiunism ,

Pro-life crowd bullying other people into suicide is very funny indeed

thorbot ,

This is really fucking sad. A man who should have been able to express his true self but couldn’t because of the twisted shackles of religion that led to his own death. Fuck religion.

PP_BOY_ ,
@PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

The guy’s “true self” was posting pictures of literal children calling them whores and sluts and writing stories about the children being given forced gender changes to be sold into sex slavery.

thorbot , (edited )

Yes religion twisted him into what he became. I’m not condoning the guys actions, just sad that he ended up where he did because of religions influence. Who knows how he would’ve ended up if he didn’t have all that fucked up shit twisting him. May have still turned out to be a piece of shit

snausagesinablanket ,
@snausagesinablanket@lemmy.world avatar

Religion and old beliefs are the destroyer of mankind.

We don’t need the threat of eternal hell to be good.

Religion teaches that we are inherently evil and need a God to be good.

Drivebyhaiku ,

It’s a really weird situation. … Here we have a conservative who is writing the kind crime novel that conservatives tend to write about trans people that utilizes a bunch of fairly stereotypical transphobic narratives that internally within the trans community would elicit disgust and ridicule and then appearing to act it out.

While it’s possible they could have been trans themselves this feels a lot more like someone treating the conservative stereotype of trans people as a kink and acting on it. JK Rowling writes this kind of shlock the key difference being she, at least as far as we know, didn’t write it as part of some sort of LARP. This person was in a complicated situation, even if they weren’t trans they were caught doing things the right would look at as definitive evidence as trans and they likely had trans or trans ally commenters telling them that what they were doing was not okay. So you either have a trans hypocrite willing to set their own community on fire because of their subscription to conservative values and tropes or you have a rather stupid conservative secretly treating a trans psychokiller trope as their personal fetish or trying to use it to add realism to fuel their hobby of writing transphobic fiction and got caught by a community that is both extremely transphobic and equally not empathetic to it just being a kink.

For those who are claiming cognitive dissonance in the audience there are a few things at play.

  • Suicide is a tragedy. Many of us know what the impacts of that are on communities and loved ones. This person did some bad shit but not the sort of thing we would execute someone for doing. This is still a tragedy.
  • In a conservative run world being closeted and driven to suicide is a thing that has happened to generations of trans people who were not this person. It is okay to register that is not something we want to keep or return to. Feeling some empathy for trans people caught in this situation is normal.
  • We don’t really know what this person’s actual situation is but in absence of context they effectively died becoming the sort of bogeyman the right loves to spread. They effectively died making the trope seem more real which isn’t great for the trans community particularly regardless of this person’s potential transness.
  • Stalking isn’t fucking cool. Neither is writing this kind of shit.

However you want to feel about this on the spectrum of “fuck this person in particular” to “that poor person, this shouldn’t have happened” this all is valid. But it isn’t hypocrisy, it’s nuance and the right does not fucking understand nuance.

HelixDab2 ,

This is a tragedy that should never have happened.

I’m in rural Georgia. If you want to hold any political office at all, you have to be Republican. That’s just the way it is. There’s a Democratic party, and they run candidates in most elections, but they’re doing pretty good when they get more votes than the Libertarian candidates do. So if you want to change shit or do any good at all, you run as a Republican, and you vote in Republican primaries. At a local level, there are definitely people that are trying to do good things that are Republicans, even though they agree with most or all points of the Democratic party.

I haven’t seen any indication that this person–and I don’t know how they privately self-identified–was anti-LGBTQ+, aside from their association with the Republican party.

When you’re in a small town in the south, esp. when you’re involved in small town politics in the south, this kind of thing is a social death sentence. It would likely mean the loss of both of their jobs, and possibly their family.

They didn’t deserve this.

No one deserves this.

The people celebrating their suicide, because they were religious and in local politics as a Republican, should be ashamed of themselves. Trans lives matter, but only as long as they fit in the molds we’ve made for 'em, huh?

My heart goes out to their family.

LtLiana ,
@LtLiana@startrek.website avatar

The more you “they/them” this guy and conflate this with transphobia, the more you equate men with a crossdressing fetish with trans women. He did not deserve this obviously, and kinks are good and nice, but I am really, really over “allies” who constantly equate crossdressers and fetishists with trans people.

HelixDab2 ,

We simply don’t know, and they aren’t here to tell us because they’re dead. You are assuming that they were a crossdresser and not transgender, despite the fact that they said otherwise in their online activities.

I’d rather give someone the benefit of the doubt and be wrong.

Anonymau5 ,

He should be out, loud and proud. This comes from deep seeded bigotry

some_guy ,

He added that it would “not cause my life to change.”

Well, that was wrong. /s

Seriously, though… it’s almost as though being a member of a hate-group (conservatism) results in terrible outcomes when you’re on the outs with said group.

ninekeysdown ,
@ninekeysdown@lemmy.world avatar

That’s horrible, poor dude should just have lived his truth. Damn same he felt that this was the only way forward/out.

DerisionConsulting ,

The missing part of the story involves him stocking a local woman, and writing erotic fiction about how he was going to murder her and taking over her life.

Also posting of pictures of children to porn sites.

1819news.com/…/to-say-i-was-a-stalker-would-be-a-…

Zaddy ,

Oh well that kinda changes things a little.

RobertOwnageJunior ,

For him specifically, yes.

Drivebyhaiku ,

It’s a really weird situation. … Here we have a conservative who is writing the kind crime novel that conservatives tend to write about trans people that utilizes a bunch of fairly stereotypical transphobic narratives that internally within the trans community would elicit disgust and ridicule and then appearing to act it out.

While it’s possible they could have been trans themselves this feels a lot more like someone treating the conservative stereotype of trans people as a kink and acting on it. JK Rowling writes this kind of shlock the key difference being she, at least as far as we know, didn’t write it as part of some sort of LARP. This person was in a complicated situation, even if they weren’t trans they were caught doing things the right would look at as definitive evidence as trans and they likely had trans or trans ally commenters telling them that what they were doing was not okay. So you either have a trans hypocrite willing to set their own community on fire because of their subscription to conservative values and tropes or you have a rather stupid conservative secretly treating a trans psychokiller trope as their personal fetish or trying to use it to add realism to fuel their hobby of writing transphobic fiction and got caught by a community that is both extremely transphobic and equally not empathetic to it just being a kink.

For those who are claiming cognitive dissonance in the audience there are a few things at play.

  • Suicide is a tragedy. Many of us know what the impacts of that are on communities and loved ones. This person did some bad shit but not the sort of thing we would execute someone for doing. This is still a tragedy.
  • In a conservative run world being closeted and driven to suicide is a thing that has happened to generations of trans people who were not this person. It is okay to register that is not something we want to keep or return to. Feeling some empathy for trans people caught in this situation is normal.
  • We don’t really know what this person’s actual situation is but in absence of context they effectively died becoming the sort of bogeyman the right loves to spread. They effectively died making the trope seem more real.
  • Stalking isn’t fucking cool. Neither is writing this kind of shit.

However you want to feel about this on the spectrum of “fuck this person in particular” to “that poor person, this shouldn’t have happened” this all is valid. But it isn’t hypocrisy, it’s nuance and the right does not fucking understand nuance.

dangblingus ,

Imagine taking your own life over this shit because your devotion to right wing identity politics supercedes your self-determination.

aidan ,

I think it’s more just embarrassing to most people

Flax_vert ,

Most comments here are horribly bigoted and disgusting honestly

twisted28 ,

Really? I’m not seeing that here at all. Which ones are “bigoted and disgusting”?

Flax_vert ,
twisted28 ,

lol even though some of the comments were created beyond the date I made those comments, still, none of them celebrate the persons death.

oldbaldgrumpy ,

Problem solved.

unreasonabro ,

and evil wins again

StalinistTransition ,

its america, every side is evil

RobertOwnageJunior ,

Nah, some sides are definitely more evil.

HiddenLayer5 ,
@HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml avatar

Guess who just had their face eaten by leopards!

StalinistTransition ,

b-but i didn’t think they would eat my face! I thought they would eat everyone elses face!

Cyberflunk ,

Don’t know shit about this person, but 1819 news is a right wing shit hole. I wouldn’t trust these assholes to report the weather.

Bobble9211 ,
@Bobble9211@sh.itjust.works avatar

Don’t know shit about this person, but 1819 news is a right wing shit hole. I wouldn’t trust these assholes to report the weather.

It’s just a regular doxing article. Showing the mayor’s cross dressing photos and all the related linked accounts. Completely fucked up without the “public official” exemption for privacy.

afraid_of_zombies ,
Retrograde ,
@Retrograde@lemmy.world avatar
trash80 ,

this comment section is a cesspool

twisted28 ,

Clutch my pearls. It’s seems more and more frequent to see a comment such as yours denouncing a comment section. Mainly after Israeli massacre began. When you can’t legitimately debate your views it seems a last resort. Why use lemmy if you don’t want to debate

trash80 ,

I don’t believe this person’s suicide is cause for celebration.

twisted28 ,

I just checked and not a single person is celebrating this persons death

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