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xmunk ,

Kamala Harris could win "overwhelmingly"

Citation needed.

anticolonialist ,

She is hated more than Biden. I doubt this would play out as intended.

retrospectology ,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

Polls have her doing better than Biden. You could do worse than running a woman when abortion is on the ballot (and by worse I mean, for example, a catholic who's visibly queasy about actually supporting bodily autonomy). She also gets you back the anti-genocide vote, and she's responsible for a lot of Biden's support among black Americans.

StinkyOnions ,

She's only polling better because that's what the media wants you to believe. Polls are meaningless and are only valuable to those pushing the polls.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
@Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

She also gets you back the anti-genocide vote

I hadn't heard that she's diverged from the administration on this issue. But I would add that the anti-genocide vote is also anti-cop, and Harris is a cop.

retrospectology ,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

She distanced herself when Biden was starting to really commit to the genocide denial, which is probably enough for a lot of people. Biden is pretty extreme, even among democrats who support Israel, and he's been the one driving the wagon. Harris doesn't have the same baggage or history of fantacism when it comes to Israel. She shows more awareness of the generational sea change regarding attitudes towards Israel.

As for the prosecutor thing, I don't think that's something in the same scale of problem as the genocide support. People act like because centerists/"leftists" won't compromise on genocide that means they're unwilling to compromise on everything but that's not true. Such flagrant disregard for basic humanity is a hard limit for many people though. People understand the stakes, Biden's zealotry is just that extreme and alienating. It wouldn't have taken much for him to avoid this problem, but combined with the faltering mental capacity he's too politically toxic at this point to recover.

Polls show that people will vote for the lesser evil that is Harris, they won't vote for the outright evil that is Biden's fanatical, blind support of genocide. The party leadership sees it, they understand the math is against them regardless of how much AIPAC pays them, this doddering debate performance and politically deaf follow-up was the tipping point.

circuscritic ,

Yes, but that was before everyone saw a sundowning POTUS on that debate stage.

Attitudes have changed amongst the DNC establishment, at least according to the reporting.

Anecdotally, I've heard similar feelings echoed in far left/socialist circles.

I will say I haven't seen any new polling that take recent events into account. I assume those figures exist, I just haven't seen you come across my feeds yet.

pjwestin ,
@pjwestin@lemmy.world avatar

The last polling I saw on her actually had her doing considerably better than Biden. Her approval rating is about the same, but her disapproval is much lower. She's not the strongest candidate, and I don't particularly like her, but she's got a better shot than Biden at this point.

TropicalDingdong OP ,
@TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world avatar

..its..

Its in the article?

xmunk ,

The reason given in the article is "Because I, Adam Schiff, think so" - all the hard data we have (competive polls, opinion polls, historical references) gives a pretty bleak outlook for a Harris presidency.

CharlesDarwin ,
@CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

Without even looking at polls, and knowing how much racism and misogyny there is, as well as the outcome of 2016, I have my doubts about Kamala as a viable candidate.

retrospectology ,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

There was some misogyny involved in Clinton's loss, but she had a special kind of misogyny attached to her that was built up over years. The fallout from the affair Bill had really kind of splashed back on Clinton, she wasn't just hated by misogynist men, she illicited a ton of internalized misogyny from conservative women as well, in part because of the way she presented herself after it came to light.

Harris doesn't have any of that baggage. At this point I think Trump has hoovered up the vast majority of misogynists and bigots already. Most people at this point likely don't care.

TropicalDingdong OP ,
@TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world avatar

I mean.

Schiff said the thing. So there is your citation for the quote.

ignirtoq ,

He's not asking for the citation for the quote. He's asking for the citation of the veracity of the assertion. We know Adam Schiff said the thing. What matters is the justification for saying the thing.

With no data to justify it (and plenty available showing it's not true), this is just further evidence Democratic leadership is stuck in the mindset of political battles from 30 years ago. If Trump were running in the political reality of the 90s with his current background and record, even current Biden would mop the floor with him. But we're not in the age of the party of Gingrich. This is the party of Trump, and facts and record don't matter to Trump voters and Republicans in general. Welcome to 21st century American politics, Mr. Schiff.

TropicalDingdong OP ,
@TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world avatar

I guess he can email Schiff's office?

Kraven_the_Hunter ,

He didn't want a quote citation though. He wanted a data citation.

TropicalDingdong OP ,
@TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world avatar

https://schiff.house.gov/contact

xmunk ,

I think that's a fair miscommunication. I was asking for a data driven citation while you were providing a quote citation. I agree that Adam Schiff almost certainly said that, but my question is why he thinks that (or, as I'd suspect, why he's lying).

TropicalDingdong OP ,
@TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world avatar

https://schiff.house.gov/contact

StinkyOnions ,

Lol, you got caught in a lie and are doubling down on it.

TropicalDingdong OP ,
@TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world avatar

Its an article about what a politician said. The politician said that thing. I think you and your buddies lack reading comprehension.

retrospectology ,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

That's a lie though, the data we have literally says the opposite. Which is why all the party power players are in favor of Biden shuffling off.