[discussion] DC (direct current) power network

Shawdow194 , 8 months ago

Basically everything runs off 3.7-12v DC at the end of the day

It does make sense to eventually phase out AC in most home and commercial applications

CameronDev , 8 months ago

All the small stuff is low voltage DC, but just about every appliance requires AC (ovens, dishwashers, kettles, toasters, washing machines, aircon). Running an oven on 12v DC would be insane.

tal , 8 months ago

Most of those don't actually want AC. They just want higher voltage.

Ovens are just running resistive heating. They don't need AC.

Dishwashers might, if the motor is AC.

Kettles don't care. Same resistive heating thing as ovens.

Toasters don't care. Same again.

Washing machines and air conditioners might have motors that run on AC.

All that being said, I don't know how problematic it'd be to use DC motors.

Most fans in your house have fixed or several speeds, because they just run the motor off AC directly. I got a DC floor fan recently, and it was kind of nice to have fine-grained control over the speed, something that you can't do with an AC fan.

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https://www.tenmenelectrical.com/ac-vs-dc-ceiling-fans/

Differences between AC and DC ceiling fans

Now let’s dive into the differences between AC and DC ceiling fans.

Energy Efficiency

One of the most significant differences between AC and DC ceiling fans is their energy efficiency. DC motors are more energy-efficient than AC motors and consume up to 70% less power. DC motors also convert more of the energy they consume into rotational energy, while AC motors waste energy in the form of heat. This means that DC motors will save you money on your electricity bill in the long run.

Speed Settings

Both AC and DC ceiling fans can have multiple speed settings, but DC fans offer greater control over the fan’s speed. DC motors are usually controlled using a remote control, allowing you to adjust more speed settings of the fan, usually up to 6 speeds. AC fans, on the other hand, typically use a wall controller but can be fitted with a remote control. However, the settings are set to low, medium and high only, which limits the number of speed settings and the ability to adjust the speed precisely.

Noise

DC fans are generally quieter than AC fans due to how the motors operate. DC motors operate without the humming sound that AC motors create, making them ideal for bedrooms or other quiet spaces.

Lifespan

DC motors are also more durable than AC motors, as they have fewer moving parts and operate at lower temperatures. AC motors, on the other hand,  use capacitors to control fan speeds, which have a limited lifespan. When an AC fan loses the ability to change speeds, it is usually due to one of the capacitors failing.

Price

DC ceiling fans are more expensive than AC ceiling fans due to their higher energy efficiency, more advanced technology, and quieter operation. However, DC fans’ energy efficiency means that they will save you money on your electricity bill in the long run.

That being said, they sell fans, so I imagine that they'd rather sell a fancier fan.

CameronDev , 8 months ago

Yup, I mispoke, but essentially yes, they could be DC, but at a significantly higher voltage than 12v DC.

Some appliances use the AC frequency to timekeep as well, but given almost all appliances have microcontrollers now, that hardly matters anymore.

I would have thought DC motors would have worse longevity, given they have a wear surface due to the split ring commutator? Unless they are talking about ESC DC motors?

BearOfaTime , 8 months ago

Does it? (Genuine question).

That seems rather simplistic - I'm sure there are plenty of use-cases where AC is a better choice than DC and vice-versa (though I'm no EE).

Very rarely is any tech that binary.

bastion , 8 months ago (edited 8 months ago)

Yeah. Basically, the biggest reasons for AC have to do with voltage stepping up and down, and for instant grid load knowledge. Well, and of course, existing infrastructure.

Both have solutions, but aren't as cheap as they are for AC. But, aside from that, DC has a lot of benefits, particularly in end usage efficiency and transmission over distance.

Back in the day, the capability to easily bump up or down the voltage of electricity just wasn't there for DC, so AC was the distance winner (high voltage is needed for distance, low voltage typically needed for usage).