"Woke" ( lemmy.world )

ramble81 , 3 months ago

Now? It’s amazing how people either didn’t know or willingly ignored TOS. Think about the episode with the half and half people, or the first time there was an interracial kiss. Star Trek has been “woke” since the 60s.

Stamets OP , 3 months ago

Slight correction but TOS didn't have the first interracial kiss. A very, very early one, but not the first.

Not that it makes the kiss mean any less, just a clarification for future reference. So many people are assholes and I've seen them use that oft made mistake to try and discredit everything else someone says.

ramble81 , 3 months ago

Huh, didn’t know that. I thought it was the first aired during prime time. So who does that award go to?

littletoolshed , 3 months ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_interracial_kiss_on_television

vaguerant , 3 months ago

So it's awkward to make the distinction ("I think not being racist is the new racism"), but based on that article, it does seem to be the first romantic kiss--I know it's mind control in the episode, stop picking at me mid-sentence--on US television between black and white people specifically. The previous examples were arguably less taboo for their time, being between Hispanic and white and Asian and white partners. They each represent their own milestones.

I think part of the confusion probably comes from the fact that "interracial" is sometimes used specifically to refer to black and white pairings, so when people say it's the "first interracial kiss", that is what they mean. This is an incorrect usage and dismissive of other interracial pairings, but I don't know if there's a more specific word for different pairings and you sound like a creep drilling down into the subject this much, as you can see from this comment right now.

dharmacurious , 3 months ago

Trying to discuss race as category at all almost always ends with either feeling creepy or really leaning into it in a creepy way. It's about as scientific as discussing skull shape or star signs, it's just so institutionalized that it feels real... Until you poke at it, and realize I love Lucy was both interracial and not, because Reasons™

VerticaGG , 3 months ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-KoABq6ygA

You might appreciate this.

Idk about "being anti-racist is the new racism" but i do know anti-racism is hollow without opposing imperialism", signal boosting where i found that: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCC6o7j4ZNNziKnCyds8-XzA

Honytawk , 3 months ago

It is like the second one showing on national tv in the US.

Still pretty woke though.

MajorHavoc , 3 months ago

Slight correction but TOS didn't have the first interracial kiss. A very, very early one, but not the first.

Do I recall correctly that Trek did have the first one aired at primetime? I feel like I read that somewhere, but I don't have a source.

joyjoy , 3 months ago

Obviously Gene would rather be horny than racist.

Fades , 3 months ago

Even if they did, TNG also has many “woke” moments, one still relevant today would be the gender identity episode either Riker and the alien that didn’t conform to the gender assigned to them by society.

No true fan could say trek is suddenly now woke