bobburger

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bobburger ,

He's a voter suppressionist actively trying to get Trump elected under a thin veneer of guilt and shame. He's appealing to people that haven't been paying attention and think the Israeli mistreatment of Palestinians started right after October 7th, rather than in 1948. By doing this tries to claim that American support of genocide is brand new thereby absolving himself and others of the guilt associated with it, unless of course they also support The Genocide™ by voting for Joe Biden.

More importantly he can claim that Joe Biden is the only presidential candidate that supports The Genocide™, so vote for someone else and you won't be supporter of The Genocide™. The quiet part is that Trump never supported The Genocide™ because it never happened until Biden was president.

bobburger ,

Unfortunately for you Israel has been committing genocide against the Palestinians since the 1948 Israeli/Arab war, and the United states has supported them since then. I guess if you want to pretend this is something new and Biden is the cause of The Genocide™ so you can feel better about yourself without actually making a difference then good for you. I applaud your mental gymnastics.

bobburger ,

You:

if you vote for biden, you are voting for genocide

Me:

If you're a human being that exists in America you have supported genocide in some capacity, and voting for Biden doesn't mean you support it anymore than if you do not vote, voting 3rd party, or voting for Trump. America needs to fix its relationship with Israel and Palestine, but Joe Biden is no more culpable for what's happening in Gaza than any president before him, and he's light years ahead of the other main party candidate in his support for Palestinians. Your ability to place that blame solely on Joe Biden and people who support him involves an impressive level of mental gymnastics.

Hope that clears it up for you. If you mean something else I'd love to hear it.

bobburger ,

Bazinga, got 'em

bobburger ,

I don't know why Biden would cause so much inflation in Canada, England, France, Germany, and just about every other country on earth, but he did. What a dick.

Obama is also at least 10% to blame. Vote Trump 2024 to teach the Dems a lesson.

bobburger ,

Why did Biden do the last recession? That bastard. I can't believe he controls monetary policy in all those countries, and controls the supply of goods and materials from China, Taiwan, and Africa. That dick!

bobburger ,

Fuckin a right it is. The neat part is whats been happening in Gaza has been unconscionable for the last 50ish years. Unfortunately it didn't become trendy to talk about until it was a political liability for the American president.

bobburger ,

Who's the alternative candidate with a reasonable shot at winning that has a policy that is more beneficial for Palestinians than Biden?

Don't say something stupid like "polling less than 1% for the 5th time Jill Stein" or "I'm not even sure which party I'm the candidate for but I need to sell some more books Cornell West".

Here's a list of third party candidates to help you out.

bobburger ,

They have a reasonable shot at winning Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Georgia? Okay...

bobburger ,

It's not a refutation, its a question expressed with skepticism.

Regardless I don't think anyone is interested in explaining their path to the required 270 electoral college votes, but if you are I'm interested in hearing it.

bobburger ,

Okay, that's not really how politics works at all any where in the world. I guess having such a simplistic and idealistic view of how politics works is what led you to the conclusion that any of the 3rd party candidates had a shot at getting elected.

bobburger ,

Lol what a shit take.

Don't try to blame other people for your choices and actions. If you want to live in a Trump America, don't vote for Biden. Just remember, it was your choice and not something "Corporate elites" made you do.

bobburger ,

What aid can they stop? Don't say something stupid like "sending weapons" or "military aid".
Since you have limitless knowledge of foreign policy and diplomatic relations with Israel, give me specific examples of aid that Joe Biden can unilaterally stop that would end the Genocide™ today.

We'll even ignore the fact the Bibi said they would continue the assault on Gaza even if the United States cut off all aid. Just tell me the aid that Biden can suspend that will end the Genocide™ today.

bobburger ,

Biden and his administration stops supporting Israel,

What support can the Biden administration unilaterally withhold to so that Bibi stops carrying on? Be specific.

bobburger ,

What military aid can Biden stop sending that will stop the Genocide™? The ICC arrest warrant didn't stop the Russian genocide in Ukraine, why do you think they will stop Netanyahu?

bobburger ,

So you have no specifics on the aid Biden could stop that would stop the Genocide™?

Until you do everyone should assume you have no idea what Biden could do to stop the Genocide™ but you're enthusiastically talking out of your ass spouting gibberish because someone on tiktok told you that Genociden Biden© was solely responsible for the actions of a sovereign nation that he isn't president of.

Just so there's no ambiguity I specifically support a peaceful transition to a two state solution. After that I support the United States aggressively investing in Palestinian infrastructure and security so that the people of Palestine will have the means to support and defend themselves without having to rely solely on the good will of the UN and neighboring Arab states and Iran.

As for a solution to the current war in Gaza, I support strong political pressure on Israel to remove Netanyahu from power without permanently damaging the Israel/United States relationship. It's an incredibly delicate balancing act that will largely be invisible to the public eye. If not done correctly it could backfire on the United States by showing we abandon allies, which will further weaken our standing in the world, and increase the power that Russia and China have in the region.

A likely outcome of not handling this situation correctly is for the United States to burn all of its influence with Israel and still not stop the war in Gaza. It's important to remember that Netanyahu just needs to hold out until the next election; if Trump gets elected then Bibi will have carte blanche to do what he wants in Gaza given Trumps strong track record of supporting the most extreme forms of Zionism.

bobburger ,

Lol, I gave specifics. Way to make a stupid claim, cry about getting called out on your stupid claim, try to turn the tables and dodge the questions calling out your stupid claim, and then hit me with the old "I know you are but what am I", all while never actually providing any support for your stupid ass claim.

bobburger ,

🤣🤣🤣🤣 isn't maddening when you say stupid shit, get called out on it, get the specifics you ask for but refuse to provide any yourself and still keep trying to dodge and deflect without actually saying anything of value

bobburger ,

Just stop providing military aid (I don't know what military aid we provide, or when, or where it comes from, or how it would actually impact the Genocide™) and don't pursue sanctions on the ICC (which isn't something I know existed until yesterday and I have absolutely no idea how an ICC arrest warrant might stop the Genocide™ because it never has before). Two very simple and not vague or ill defined things at all 🤡🤡🤡

bobburger ,

Economically, militarily, and politically...yeah..

bobburger ,

Damn Genociden Biden© doin the damn Genocide™ in a country that he isn't the president of! International politics is a simple and uncomplicated thing and Genociden Biden© could surely stop the Genocide™ by asking Netanyahu nicely to be nice. Netanyahu already said they'd pull out of Gaza if he got a nicely worded letter, why doesn't Genociden Biden© just do it?

bobburger ,

Who's actively supporting genocide?

bobburger ,

Lol what a stupid comment.

Stop pretending you understand how foreign policy and appropriations work, you clearly have no idea.

bobburger ,

You seem to think the genocide started right after October 7th so you make vapid comments about Biden supporting genocide and use it to justify aggressively working to get Trump elected president.

Instead of acknowledging that international relations are really really hard, that every American president since Israel became a country has supported the genocide of Palestinians (including your boy Trump) and your lack of understanding around the issues you make inane comments trying to make paint Joe Biden as a omnipotent dictator that has unlimited power to control every other country on earth. I also find it interesting you spend a lot of time trying to suppress the vote for Biden in order to get Trump elected because you care oh so much about genocide, but you never use your soap box for divestment from China to stop the genocide of the Uyghurs. I'm sure that's just a coincidence though.

You also don't seem to understand what gaslighting is, which I guess is another trendy buzz word your picked up and decided to work into your vocabulary.

Egypt changed terms of Gaza ceasefire deal presented to Hamas, surprising negotiators, sources say ( www.cnn.com )

Egyptian intelligence quietly changed the terms of a ceasefire proposal that Israel had already signed off on earlier this month, ultimately scuttling a deal that could have released Israeli hostages and Palestinian prisoners, and set a pathway to temporarily end the fighting in Gaza, according to three people familiar with the...

Pentagon says none of the aid unloaded from US pier off coast of Gaza has been delivered to broader Palestinian population ( www.cnn.com )

None of the aid that has been unloaded from the temporary pier the US constructed off the coast of Gaza  has been delivered to the broader Palestinian population, as the US works with the UN and Israel to identify safe delivery routes inside the enclave, the Pentagon said on Tuesday....

bobburger ,

Several desperate Gazans intercepted trucks delivering aid from the pier over the weekend, leading the UN to suspend the delivery operations until the logistical challenges are resolved.

bobburger ,

Eventually everyone has to go full Battlestar Galactica

Biden is dramatically out of touch with voters on Gaza. He may lose because of it ( www.theguardian.com )

On the issue of Gaza, Biden is dramatically out of touch with the voters he needs to win re-election. If he will not be moved by morality to stop his support of this war, he should be moved by vulgar self-interest. Gaza is not a distant foreign conflict: it is an urgent moral emergency for large swaths of voters. Biden will lose...

bobburger ,

I'm definitely voting for Biden because I understand voting is a utilitarian choice and not a moral one.

But as an upper middle class straight white cis gendered male I'm looking forward to the tax cuts if Trump gets elected. If people aren't going to vote for Biden because they have poor understanding of geo politics then I'm going to take full advantage of the out come and hope we get another chance to vote in 2028.

bobburger ,

I think the argument is interesting.

Absolutely no one would support this if the question was instead "If you're alone in the woods would you rather come across a bear or a black/Mexican/Arab/whatever person". However, since right now it's socially popular to group men into a monolithic group and demonize them the man vs bear question and is a very funny and popular meme.

You can understand the point of the meme and still understand that it denigrates half the poplulation and creates toxic discord towards people who are perfectly good human beings.

bobburger ,

The 0.1% definitely blow things out of the water comparatively speaking.

It's still important for the 99.9% to know where our co2 emissions are coming from so we can find ways to reduce our own emissions and put pressure on the 0.1% to reduce theirs as well.

Spreading awereness is also important so more people will know the impact their choices have on global co2 emissions which will hopefully encourage them to make smarter choices and pressure the 0.1% and corporations to reduce their emissions as well.

bobburger ,

It's amazing that Putin has managed to transform Russia from one of the worlds most powerful countries into a vassal state to China in such a short time.

bobburger ,

When does it stop being a sandwich and start being pie? Is a sufficiently cheesy grilled cheese or quesadilla pie also? Your comment has really opened a can of worms for me.

bobburger ,

It says a lot about your character and what you actually value that you think the way Trump would allow Israel to treat Palestinians is preferable to what Biden is doing.

bobburger ,

I like rank choice voting, but why would someone put Biden as there 3rd or 4th choice when they're with holding their vote over moral objections?

Voting for Biden in any order would be the same as voting for Biden in a first past the post election.

US Lemmys what could Biden do in the next 6 months to EARN your vote? (other than just not being Trump)

Sorry this is kinda political. Is there an asklemmypolitics group this would be better for? I'm hoping not to get into the libs vs progressives political debate we see everywhere on here... Just want to know what people are actually looking for.

bobburger ,

Did you mean to say

for Leftists Capitalism itself is unacceptable and genocide off the table unless it's against religious minorities that won't comply with party policy or done against people with different political and economic views.

bobburger ,

As things stand a violent leftist revolution is doomed to fail. There's just not that much main stream support for, and even if there were significant support for a violent revolution in the United States the fact that most police and military support Trump makes a leftist victory even less likely.

If Trump were to be reelected he's likely to sign any legislation that increases police power, restricts freedom of speech, and weakens separation of church and state. All of which will make the already unlikely leftist revolution even more difficult to organize and less likely to succeed.

Maybe Trump will make a violent revolution more likely, but he'll also drastically reduce it's chance of success.

On a sort of related note, it's important to remember there are about 340 million Americans, almost none of them have the exact same political views as you, and nearly all of them are somewhere to the right of most lemmings. The violent revolution lemmings pine for may get a lot of up votes here, but it's a fringe position in the general population.

bobburger ,

Comments like this make me realize how shitty the education system in America is. Go take an online civics course or read book, just do something to educate yourself about how laws are passed at the federal level.

bobburger ,

Not trying to JAQ off here, which societies have been more effective and successfully built by market socialism. Wikipedia only lists a few failed states as having implemented Market Socialism. Also listed is Vietnam, which seems to be doing okay. Most of the growth seems to be coming from trade and investment from capitalist countries in the past 20 years or so. So is their success coming from Market Socialism or excess wealth from Capitalist counties?

Regardless of where their wealth comes from they do seem to be doing a good job of reducing income inequality while raising the standard of living for a lot of citizens.

bobburger ,

Gotcha, so like free market socialism.

bobburger ,

It seems that you're proposing that there's some point of sustainable economic output. Under all socialist states once that sustainable point is reached economic output would be frozen and from thereafter only that level of economic output is achieved.

Then what happens? Do you also freeze population levels somehow? Do you start restricting who has access to resources they need because there are more people than resources than can be produced under the economic output cap?

bobburger ,

You answered 0 of my questions and instead responded with a bunch of non sequitur straw men. Be better.

bobburger ,

Arguing with voter suppressionists is generally a waste if time. No one actually believes voting 3rd party in the current political system will actually change anything, they're just actively trying to get Trump elected.

UN denies Gaza death toll of women and children has been revised down ( www.theguardian.com )

The UN has denied that the estimated death toll of women and children in the war in Gaza has been revised downward, pointing towards a confusion between the total numbers of dead bodies recorded, and the number of those who have so far been fully identified....

bobburger ,

Unfortunately for a leader like Bibi there isn't a middle ground. Even more unfortunately the Israeli right wing has too much political power to allow a prime minister to be elected that would find a middle ground.

Hamas horribly miscalculated when they attacked Israel on October 7th, and now the innocents of Gaza are paying the price.

bobburger ,

So you think they chose right and this is the best outcome for the people of Gaza?

bobburger ,

Right? Israel didn't exist until Biden dreamed them up last October, and then those little rascals started Genociding™ right away. Since Biden is the only president in history, and Israel has clearly stated they'd stop the incursion if Biden asked really nicely, he could stop the Genocide™ anytime he wanted. Why isn't he stopping it!

Why oh why is Biden 100% funding the Genocide™? Everyone knows that Joey B is single handedly supplying all the military equipment Israel is using, like some kind of feisty Genocide™ happy elf from Santa's workshop. Israel isn't getting military and economic support from any other country besides Joe Biden, that dick (which I love sucking by the way)!

I'm sure there's no other world leaders with a close relationship to Bibi and a vested interest in getting Donald Trump elected president driving the Genocide™. Absolutely none at all. I'm sure it was just a tiny coincidence that the Iranian backed militia conducted an unprecedented terrorist attack after years of peace. Just in time to provide the Israeli prime minister in serious legal trouble with a desperately needed distraction that would allow him to cling to power as long as Joe Biden was Genocidin™. Why did Joe Biden make Hamas do that!

If it weren't for Biden I'm sure the UN would march in to Gaza and stop the Genocide™, just like they did for the Uyghur genocide in China, or Tutsie genocide in Rwanda, or the Darfuri genocide in Sudan, or the Rohingya genocide in Myanmar. But no Biden wouldn't let the UN stop any of those genocides either, that bastard!

bobburger ,

Lol I'm glad we can be on team Genocide™ together. Have fun being on team rapist, team Gaza into beach front Israeli real estate, team turning America into a white Christian ethno state, team Ukrainian genocide, team LGBTQ+ hate crime.

I think the neat thing is you aren't in denial at all. You know full well Biden isn't responsible for the Genocide™ in Gaza, your just using it as a thinly veiled excuse to evangelize your love of that orange Trump dick.

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