Sherifazuhur ,
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12-year-old Rimas from Gaza sells homemade "ka'ak" to afford her heart disease medication amid the hard conditions resulting from the Israeli occupation's horrific war on Gaza.
t.me/pal_Online9 @palestine

https://x.com/onlinepaleng/status/1786398397429088626?s=12&t=uM8me4uwdP7D0z4nanVVuw

RememberUsAlways ,
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@Sherifazuhur @palestine

Oh look! A link to ( checks notes) a organization.

Narrative must be failing.

Sherifazuhur OP ,
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@RememberUsAlways I don’t understand your comment. Palestine Online isn’t fascist. Musk may be, but there’s no alternative to platforms like Twitter, Youtube, Tik Tok for linking to actual in-country video. (We used to also post nitter.net but it’s no more) Here you wait for articles published from various liberal-oligarchic-fascist perspectives. This allows a 12 year old Gazan girl to speak for herself.

RememberUsAlways ,
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@Sherifazuhur

I pray the people of Palestine release the hostages and denounce Hamas for failing to protect their children.
The use of martyr and hostage to extract demands has destroyed yet another generation and prevented the Two State Solution.

DavidBruchmann ,
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@RememberUsAlways @Sherifazuhur

And if not exactly like you wish, that's justification to kill another 5% of the whole Palestinian people?

RememberUsAlways ,
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@DavidBruchmann @Sherifazuhur

We won’t use gliders or take hostages to extract demands.
We will rescue hostages through negotiation and force.

@palestine
@israel

DavidBruchmann ,
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@RememberUsAlways @Sherifazuhur @palestine @israel

That doesn't explain anything you wrote.

RememberUsAlways ,
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@DavidBruchmann

I don't need to explain anything I wrote.

The law on taking hostage and the rescue of hostages is clear.
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DavidBruchmann ,
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@RememberUsAlways @Sherifazuhur @palestine @israel

  • Israel is not interested in taking the hostages back for humanitarian reasons.
  • Israel is using the hostages only for politics and only when it fits them.
  • Hostages have been targeted killed by IDF, even if it was clear that the hostages have been Israeli.
  • Hostages have reported having been treated quite well by Hamas.
  • Israel doesn't respect any laws.

So actually it's not clear why you come up with laws.

RememberUsAlways ,
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@DavidBruchmann
Allow me to clarify.
The conventions of war are quite clear. Israel has broad powers to rescue hostages using any methods from negotiation to assassination. It is why the hostage negotiation has been constant for 6 months.
Educate yourself here:
https://legal.un.org/avl/ha/icath/icath.html

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DavidBruchmann ,
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@RememberUsAlways @Sherifazuhur @palestine @israel

I don't see that the law / convention makes any sense her, neither all your other words in this thread.
Especially not as Israel is ignoring the rights of Palestinians since at least 1948.

RememberUsAlways ,
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@DavidBruchmann

History doesn't care about our bias.
Hebrew is one of the word's ancient languages, dating back 3000+ years. Why start at 1948 when the nation of Israel was established? I don't understand the connection to this specific date.
https://www.palquest.org/en/overallchronology?show=intro
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DavidBruchmann ,
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@RememberUsAlways @Sherifazuhur @palestine @israel

What does the war about the land in Israel has to do with Hebrew?
The colonial and Zionist project "Israel" started officially in 1947/48.

RememberUsAlways ,
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@DavidBruchmann

See, that is where you are wrong. There were Israeli settlements established near Jerusalem before 1900.
Read the timeline.
Stop wasting time with failed narratives.
Israel is not going away no matter how hard you cry about it.
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DavidBruchmann ,
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@RememberUsAlways @Sherifazuhur @palestine @israel

I never have to read the link, to know that the first serious talks about colonizing Israel started ~1844.
Nevertheless, officially 1948 means that 1) the UN gave it's hallelujah and 2) Israel by itself declared the new state.

RememberUsAlways ,
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@DavidBruchmann
The UN also created the of to protect nations from terrorists using handgliders to take hostages. Now Hamas has a choice to save what remains of Palestine or not.

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argumento ,
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@RememberUsAlways @DavidBruchmann @Sherifazuhur @palestine @israel That's not how Venn diagrams work, you looser.

That's not how international law works either.

Get a fucking life.

tzafrir ,
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@argumento @RememberUsAlways @DavidBruchmann @Sherifazuhur @palestine @israel

Nitpicking: This is a Venn diagram (except, maybe, that it is filled, if I should be supper nitty).

Whether or not it is a correct and/or useful model of reality is a different issue.

argumento ,
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@tzafrir @RememberUsAlways @DavidBruchmann @Sherifazuhur @palestine @israel

A Venn diagram that portrays the intersection of Hamas and Palestine supporters, even if it was a single circle, should have the labels "Hamas sympathizers" and "Palestine sympathizers", not a third label that reads a different thing.

You stand corrected.

DavidBruchmann ,
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@RememberUsAlways @Sherifazuhur @palestine @israel

You think everything will be fine if Hamas would be boot licking the Israeli requests?
You forget that Israel is not interested in honesty, or talking with Palestinians on same level. They just want Palestinians be gone, dead or alive.
The colonization is running with high power in West Banks and Israeli just wait for the moment to capture the land in Gaza.

RememberUsAlways ,
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@DavidBruchmann
Jews and Arabs live peacefully in Israel.

Again, I don't know where you get your hate mail from but there are some large gaps in your reasoning.

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DavidBruchmann ,
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@RememberUsAlways @Sherifazuhur @palestine @israel

Well, good for you if you live on the calm side of a wall through the apartheid state.
On my timeline is an older video from 2019 pinned, perhaps it could change your mind.

tzafrir ,
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@RememberUsAlways @DavidBruchmann @Sherifazuhur @palestine @israel

Just stating the obvious: the UN did not really create the Geneva Conventions: most of them predate the UN.

The Hamas does not consider itself committed to the Geneva Conventions. Surprisingly, others also don't expect it to and let it get away with it.

RememberUsAlways ,
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@tzafrir

Ok. To be clear, the UN adopted the conventions of war but as terrorists took Hostages heavily in the 70s, the conventions updated here:
https://legal.un.org/avl/ha/icath/icath.html

Now in Gaza, we will revisit exactly why we agreed to rescue Hostages using any methods.

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DavidBruchmann ,
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@RememberUsAlways @tzafrir @Sherifazuhur @palestine @israel

@GRA3432, you've an idea who these terrorists could have been?

tzafrir ,
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@DavidBruchmann @RememberUsAlways @Sherifazuhur @palestine @israel

I have no idea what you mean. In 1834 Yisrael Bak created a farm not far from Zefat, where he lived (and where there have been a Jewish community for centuries).

And what "Europeans"? You must mean the Albanian Muhamad Ali that ruled Egypt, and also got a hold of the country from 1830 to 1840.

DavidBruchmann ,
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@tzafrir @RememberUsAlways @Sherifazuhur @palestine @israel

Yes, he is mentioned in the linked page below too.
Why I have exactly the year 1844 in mind I don't remember but a general glimpse about that time this chapter is giving:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration#Early_British_support

tzafrir ,
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@DavidBruchmann @RememberUsAlways @Sherifazuhur @palestine @israel

Jews may have been a small portion of the population of the country, but a large part of the population of Jerusalem. Indeed they were the first to settle outside of the walls of the city (1855) because the city was getting crowded.

All through the 18th and 19th Century Jews migrated to the country from various places (Eastern and Central Europe, various Arab countries.

>>>

RememberUsAlways ,
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@tzafrir
Jewish communities in Europe were made scapegoats of the plague. They were accused of deliberately poisoning wells and thus causing the plague, and such associations between plague and Jewish communities led to in various parts of Europe.

https://sc.edu/uofsc/posts/2020/03/covid_impact_nukhet_varlik.php

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tzafrir ,
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@DavidBruchmann @RememberUsAlways @Sherifazuhur @palestine @israel

On the "Eve of Zionism" steam was invented. Mark Twain's travel in 1867 was one of the earliest steam-powered travels to the area. Suddenly you could go around the world in 80 days. And get to Jerusalem in less than a year.

The British Consulate was not really involved in any of the early attempts of settlements by Jews. Those were private people acting on their own.

DavidBruchmann ,
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@tzafrir @RememberUsAlways @Sherifazuhur @palestine @israel

Well, after 60-70 years it lead to the Balfour Declaration, which had already profound impact, but additionally Jews and Palestinians got contradicting promises about land.

Anyway, no matter how bad people or communities have been treated in history, it doesn't justify what is happening today. All the conventions and laws are not worth the paper they are written on, if historical reasons or aspects are accepted to override the laws.

tzafrir ,
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@DavidBruchmann @RememberUsAlways @Sherifazuhur @palestine @israel
The Balfour Declaration promised really nothing. It promised "a national home" (a meaningless term) "in" (explicitly: not the whole of) "Palestine" (a geographical term that was not well defined).

At the time "Palestinian" was not a common definitions. Of those who considered national movements, more considered themselves as "Arabic" or "Shami" ("Greater Syria").

DavidBruchmann ,
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@tzafrir @RememberUsAlways @Sherifazuhur @palestine @israel

I'm not interested in meaningless talk about history.
But indeed, the word "Palestine" wasn't invented by the Arabs themselves.

DavidBruchmann ,
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@tzafrir @RememberUsAlways @Sherifazuhur @palestine @israel

The opression of Palestinians is getting already historical dimension too, but the difference to the history of Jews is that the bad things for Jews never happened with involvement of Palestinians, but anywhere else on the world. Palestinians seem to be punished for all the atrocities Jews had to experience anywhere else.

Sherifazuhur OP ,
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@israel @RememberUsAlways@palestine Wrong! Apparently you are educated neither in international law, nor the rules of warfare as regulated by the Geneva convention(s). 1) Israel occupies Palestinian territory & is legally required to protect Palestinians, not subject them to genocide to release hostages, nor for any other purpose 2) & is violating multiple Gen. Convents beyond this failure -torture of prisoners; attacks on medical personnel & aid distributors, forced starvation & displacement, etc

heretical_i ,
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@Sherifazuhur rememberusalways is a troll not worth the time responding. @israel @palestine

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Block, blockety, block ... that's what I did :ablobwink:

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