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dragontamer ,

Derivatives always were measured over infinitely small intervals. Basic calculus. And inflation always was the derivative of prices.

Prices are prices. If you want to complain about prices, then complain about prices. But we all know we aren't going to do anything about prices. Furthermore: falling prices are utterly terrible for economies, so no one wants to force deflation.

Inflation followed by disinflation (ie: holding prices steady after a runup) is our best chance of keeping the economy moving forward. Seriously. Literally no one is asking for lower prices. Its too dangerous.

dragontamer ,

Deflation always leads to job loss.

The US policy is biased towards saving jobs, not really towards being the cheapest stuff. And IMO, I agree with this. In many senses, job preservation is far more important.

dragontamer ,

Soccer moms say 'I want to keep my job'.

Which is interpreted to be 'We must avoid deflation' by the Fed. Because these two statements are one and the same.

Between the choice of widespread unemployment vs fixing inflation, the policymakers came up with the current strategy. Lower inflation (aka: first derivative of price chances), which should hold jobs steadier than other options.

The Fed has a very blunt instrument for economic policy. It's either lose jobs but fix inflation (aka higher rates), or more jobs but inflation gets out of hand (aka lower rates).

That's just how the world works. Those are the only two choices the Fed has.

dragontamer ,

I have a fuckton of Democrats and Liberals crying about the unemployment rate. Do you want me to start posting them or do you actually have a memory that lasts longer than 1 year?

dragontamer ,

Do you not know how the Federal Funds Rate works?

dragontamer ,

What bothers me most about this is the huge amount of ignorance all sides have on this subject.

The issue IMO, is the fucking AR-15. Police Officers immediately went in when they knew there were problems, but when the subject had an AR-15 that could literally shoot through school walls (ie: Police Officers were outgunned and out-matched), they retreated.

Yes, there was a few hours where they were too scared to do anything, further traumatizing the children / teachers. But this is fucking it. Talk about the firepower and the tactical decision to retreat.

Handguns CANNOT compete against an AR15. The AR15 has superior power, penetration, and accuracy. The officers made the right decision to retreat, regroup, and further come up with a new plan initially. Though their cowardice in the face of the AR15 is what needs to be highlighted most of all.

There's nothing wrong with being scared of a bigger, more accurate, more powerful gun with more ammunition. If they truly were outgunned, then retreat was the best option (otherwise, officers would have died and that would have forced a retreat while carrying a slain officer around, a much harder task). Shit gets bad to worse in a combat situation if you don't outgun the opponent.

Dinky handguns won't do shit against the body armor of the attacker either.


This is literally the case where liberals need to come together, understand the mechanics of the gun involved and push for better gun control laws. If officers in Texas get outgunned and are forced to retreat, then support those officers and push for gun legislation. Everyone knows these bigger guns serve as cop-killers and ultimately fuck our society over. Just quit being dumbass snowflakes about blue-lives-matter or pro-Police stances or whatever.

Being pro-Police here AND anti-gun is the right move in this case. But instead, Liberals fuck over their own politics because they're too braindead to play their cards right.

Conservatives clearly care more about guns than Police Officers. Punish the Conservative view ya pansies.

dragontamer ,

Cool.

Now take that highly-penetrative AR15 and shoot it into a school building, knowing full well that the bullets will penetrate the walls and kill the people on the other side of the school.

Even when everyone has an AR15, the shooter still has the advantage, because he had the children hostage. There were also questions on whether the school was clear before any potential shootout (see the problem with AR15's huge amount of penetration: shooting through the attacker and hitting children in another room is a serious concern still even as SWAT arrives).

Even when you give everyone the works, the problem at play here was the AR15 in the hands of the shooter, which required the police to take a step back and rework tactics entirely.

Thinking from the perspective of the cops side will 100% give yall a ton of evidence and logical arguments to fuck up the pro-gun AR15 lobby. Just think damn it.

dragontamer ,

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/27/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-timeline/

Also note: I'm talking about 11:40am. These are the pre-SWAT police officers who rushed into the building almost immediately after the shooter entered the building.

SWAT doesn't arrive until 12:10pm.

So no. For the time-period between 11:40am to 12:10pm, Police are just armed with whatever they got. Normal officers don't go around with Flash Bangs, Body Armor, AR15s. Most officers just have a handgun until SWAT arrives.

dragontamer ,

No you.

The gunman enters the school at 11:35am. Pre-SWAT officers charge after the gunman almost immediately afterwards. Initial skirmishes between the Police (with only handguns) immediately show that they were outgunned. Officers ask for SWAT team backup by 11:40am.

Read the fucking report.

dragontamer ,

And who gives a fuck about the weapon used. That does not excuse their lack of action.

Pistols don't beat AR15 rifles. If the opponent outguns you, you need to wait for backup and bigger guns. Basic tactics.

And if everyone is using big guns during a hostage situation, the "Good Guys" have a huge disadvantage due to the penetrative effects of powerful guns. Good Guys don't want to kill children with missed (or even hit) shots. A headshot vs the shooter would not only penetrate the shooter's skull, but also the wall behind the shooter. A wall that you're not sure if the children or the teachers of the school were hiding behind yet.

dragontamer ,

Also, most cops carry AR15s or a similar rifle in their cop car.

Good job highlighting your ignorance to Uvalde. Did you read the police log yet?

We have him in the room. He's got an AR-15. He's shot a lot ... we don't have firepower right now ... It's all pistols ... I don't have a radio ... I need you to bring a radio for me, and give me my radio for me ... I need to get one rifle ... I'm trying to set him up

Read the fucking log. Have you read the log yet? What time was this radio message sent?

dragontamer ,

The original police officers tussled with a shooter with body-armor and superior AR15 firepower until they cornered him. And that wasn't good enough for yall dumbasses.

These original officers responding to the call were god damn heroes. And if anyone read the log they'd know.


Blame SWAT for being shitty and taking their time. But... even then... I have the AR15 penetrating walls / killing other people issue for good guy with gun vs bad guy with gun. I don't think its very easy or clear to figure out the wall strength, which directions are "safe to shoot at", etc. etc.

There's a lot to think about here, and that's not even covering the hostages. Just figuring out how to clear the other rooms and making sure enough of the area is clear enough for heavy weaponry is a big enough deal before you send in SWAT and possibly murder some children in the crossfire.


In any case: my point is clear. The AR15 is the big issue. We seriously should be pushing to ban the AR15 rifle, and any other weapons of similar penetration / muzzle velocity.

dragontamer ,

The officer who actually cornered the gunman, and put in the call for SWAT at 11:40 only had a pistol.

Which is commendable: to go into a situation knowing you are outgunned. The people with pistols in that first group 100% should be commended for going in with inferior weaponry.

dragontamer , (edited )

Does the AR15 generate a forcefield around the person wielding it making the shooter immune to any “lesser” weapons?

Yes. Its called effective firing range.

A typical pistol (ex M1911) has an effective range of 50m and only when you've got very good practice. A typical AR15 has an effective range of 550 meters (11x the range).

The effective range is a measurement of the accuracy of the shot. In effect, if you have an AR15 at 100 meters, you've got better accuracy than a cop at 10meters. (Effective firing range is mostly about accuracy and bullet placement. Rifles are much, much, much more accurate than pistols)

Learn to tactics bro. Rifle range and accuracy is a real thing. You don't fight enemies with rifles if you only got a pistol dude. Furthermore, you don't spray-and-pray with inaccurate pistols when there's lol hostages in the same room as the shooter.


This isn't a video game. This isn't a comic book where "the main character" holding a damn pistol has more accuracy than enemy riflemen. This is real life.

dragontamer ,

Cops aren't warriors.

There's another bullshit thing we need to get rid of. Cops are NOT swat team. And the idea of a "Warrior-cop" is one of the worst fucking things in our culture right now.


Liberals have been asking cops to stand down and be more kind for the last decade and suddenly in this case, yall are asking them to be militant warriors again.

No. Leave the "warriors" to the SWAT team at best, and I'm not even convinced that SWAT is a good idea for all cities to have. Warrior-cop mentality is one of the worst things going on in this country right now, and I want to speak against it.

Cops aren't soldiers. They're supposed to be community members. In other countries, cops don't even carry guns.

dragontamer , (edited )

Soldier/Warrior-cop mentality is fucking toxic bro. I don't accept it from conservatives, and I certainly don't accept it from the hypocritical liberals who talk both sides on this issue.

At least the conservatives are consistent with the warrior-cop mentality and do what they believe in.

Go to war?

Cops don't go to war. In most cases, cops deal with rowdy teenagers or people running naked across school property or other such more typical day-to-day cases. They aren't (and shouldn't) be equipped to deal with armed shooters.

Cops who study warrior / soldier mentality become too mean, gain the us-vs-them mentality and fuck shit up. Its one of the biggest problems in our country, and I outright refuse anyone who makes war-analogies to cop situations.

dragontamer ,

I'm not surprised that a rag-tag team of officers without radios was unaware of the firepower on their sides.

In any case, the officers who were chasing down the shooter with only pistols are heroes. The situation would have been much worse without their action.

The radio-call I highlighted there is timestamped at 11:40am. Its a real call from the scene. And that's only 5 minutes after the shooter entered (and was already after the firefights that happened at 11:38 IIRC). In any case, we're well within the quick action / quick response of the first team, who were largely fighting an uphill battle with pistols, a lack of tactical radios, and other problems.


This doesn't change the fact either, that these officers at 11:40 were not a SWAT team. They were just normal officers. Officers don't get (and shouldn't get) military style / warrior training.

And I refuse to give officers more military/warrior training. We already are dealing with an overly militarized police force. I am 100% against any discussion where your conclusion is "Police need bigger guns and need to be meaner".

dragontamer ,

That is fair.

dragontamer , (edited )

The training sets up the mindset of the cops.

I don't believe any cop should get advanced weapon training unless they're explicitly assigned to SWAT and/or Riot control. And normal beat cops honestly don't deal with hyperviolent people often enough to deserve the mindshift or the training for violence.

dragontamer ,

Doesn't matter if they're conservative or liberal. What matters is training, mindset and culture. And warrior-cop mentality goes deeper than just politics. The training, propaganda and expectations play a huge role in it. You're participating in the warrior-cop mentality as you compare cops to a warzone. Period. And furthermore, expecting them to use lethal force with high efficacy.

Uvalde was a chance for liberals to point out that beat-cops are in fact, just underpaid, undertrained public servants who are only human. Expecting heroic super-soldier like action in the face of the most horrific violence they've ever seen in their life is too much. And also further leads to the degeneration of our society. Seriously, talk to most cops, the hyperviolent situations like Uvalde are exceptionally rare. Most of their day-to-day complaints are about bullshit tasks (parents calling in cops to be the "bad guy" and yell at their kids, because parents are too scared to discipline their own kids. Etc. etc).

Yes, I'm saying this unironically. If Liberals really want to push cops away from warrior-cop mentality, they can start here and now. And I really think liberals can capture a pro-Police segment in a way that conservatives cannot if they just thought about how the politics of that would go. Liberals used to have a pro-cop anti-gun argument (powerful guns are cop-killers), but today that argument has been erased by modern short-thinking liberals.

But sure, go pretend that any of these politics here are working out in the liberal's favor. Its actually a big hypocritical move IMO to anyone following the cop-argument trends.


In any case, I'll continue to point out the insanity, of both sides, here. Conservatives are extremely anti-union but nominally pro-cop, and thus turn a blind eye to cop-based organizations like the FOP. Its clearly just politics of us vs them being divided up into fully arbitrary delineations. Overall, I think the liberal anti-cop movement is problematic, especially to a political party operating under the theory of strong government, public service, etc. etc.

dragontamer ,

Oh? And the typical UK Cop doesn't even have a pistol.

Get your head out of your ass and see how stupidly overmilitarized USA's cop culture has become. Think about how our expectations here in Uvalde are causing that, and stop pushing for militarized cops.

dragontamer ,

You are talking about a school. Effective range doesn’t much matter past 25 meters.

I guarantee you that an AR15 will shoot quicker, more accurately, and with more penetration even at as short at 10 meters vs a pistol. And probably with a larger magazine to boot (fewer shots on the pistols).

The fact that you're arguing otherwise is a misunderstanding and/or ignorance of basic gun tactics. At any range, the AR15 is a superior weapon. 500 meters, 50 meters, 10 meters, 5 meters. AR15 always is better. Especially when body-armor is in play so that penetrating effect is even a bigger deal.

dragontamer ,

Besides the department had the choice to make the situation pistol vs rifle (to use your paradigm) instead they left it unarmed vs rifle.

They cornered the shooter, and then waited for SWAT (the actual combat specialists of the police force). SWAT team took too long afterward, but the initial police response was quite heroic as far as I can see. The initial police did what they could with inferior weapons and less knowledge and less training.

This initial skirmish from 11:35am to 11:40am seemed to be fine. The long wait for SWAT after 11:40am is really where things get more ambiguous, but I will not support regular officers charging into these situations without training and armed with mostly pistols at that. If we do that, then we're accepting a significant escalation of warrior-cop mentality and expecting cops to have far more deadly-arms training than I'm honestly comfortable with.

dragontamer ,

Specifically AR15 and how this particular gun tears through walls.

The penetrative effects of a bullet traveling at 300% the speed of regular pistol rounds is far deadlier and damaging than just a pistol. And you have all these dumbasses who are like "Yeah but pistols are still deadly".

Remember that energy is velocity squared. We're talking about like 900% of the energy per shot. The amount of firepower we're just casually accepting as "normal" in the USA is ridiculous, and is the real tragedy of the Uvalde situation. And everyone who is using this moment to blame the cop when they should 100% be blaming the gun-culture of AR15 is part of the problem.


We already have examples of what happens when gunowners take matters into their own hands. And that person's name is Kyle Rittenhouse. I have very little respect for that mindset.

dragontamer ,

And then you get shot. Worst case scenario, you don't die, but instead scream out in agony in the crossfire, getting 3 or 4 other guys in trouble as they come in to drag your ass away from the firing zone.

Firefights suck. And shitty people thinking they'd be heroes in this situation only make it worse for everyone.

dragontamer ,

If they don’t, who will?

SWAT teams. People who are actually trained and specialized in this role.

Regular cops shouldn't be SWAT trained or that violent.

dragontamer ,

This is relatively recent in the great scheme of things.

I'd prefer it if we went back before warrior-cop mentality. Cops aren't soldiers. In fact, any cop that tries to be a soldier becomes worse at doing cop-jobs (and vice versa. Soldiers aren't cops, we shouldn't be putting soldiers on the frontlines of "Win the hearts and minds" of foreigners like we did in Afghanistan).

dragontamer ,

They waited for SWAT anyway before doing anything in this situation.

The main problem is that SWAT took too long after arriving before they did anything. But tiny ass underfunded minimally paid local cops did the best they could until SWAT arrived. I posit that cops are not supposed to go in vs threats that are armed to the level of assault rifles and body armor. The shooter in Uvalde qualified, its more firepower than cops are honestly equipped to deal with and that's perfectly fine.

I mean, cops getting outgunned by "somebody". The real issue is the proliferation of high-power AR15 rifles in our society. But I don't want cops marching around with full sized loaded rifles on a day-to-day basis. Nor do I want to pay for (or pay the psychological costs associated with) the training to use those weapons.

dragontamer ,

I appreciate you sharing your experience. And yes, I'm well aware that knives (and batons even), can beat a gun in short ranges. The famous Filipino Eskrima fighters of the early 1900s (the culture my parents came from) taught that lesson. And legend holds that pistols like the M1911 were specifically designed for those close-quarters combat situations (too many US soldiers dying to the Filipino eskrima stick fighters that US paid R&D to figure out a solution back then).

But the hallway of a school can stretch many dozens of meters, far longer than the distance you can close with a knife, and even stretching the effective firing range of a pistol and knife.


And given even the presence of a door: the knowledge that the AR15 on the other side could likely penetrate the door makes breaching operations difficult. And the presence of hostages / kids in the classroom prevents many weapons / breaching techniques from being used.

dragontamer ,

No they don't and Cops shouldn't have those tools.

I'd be far more comfortable if in these cases of national emergency, the National Guard showed up with actual heavy weapon experience and training. SWAT is a decent compromise (a few units of specialized / highly trained cops). But we should not make the "typical" cop go down the journey towards warrior / soldier.

dragontamer ,
  1. I don't expect typical Police cops to be familiar with room breaching exercises. I want cops who are criminal law majors and other specialists in legal matters (knowing when to arrest someone, when it is legal and proper to escalate, etc. etc). I don't want soldier cops or warrior cops.

  2. Under the assumption of untrained cops, they did fine. They cornered the assailant into a single room and then called in the SWAT team. The SWAT team is who took too long to deal with a cornered assailant.

I am firmly against treating cops like soldiers. And I get it, you were a soldier. I have huge respect for what you've done and what soldiers represent. But I also don't want soldiers patrolling the streets. The job of a cop is very different. I certainly don't want cops running exercises or focusing on these exceptionally rare events as part of their regular training either. I'm fully against it.

dragontamer ,

The police already cornered the guy by 11:40am. The question was the final breaching operation, which was left to the SWAT team.

and not all cities have a swat team.

Uvalde brought in the SWAT team in this instance. The end. They had access to SWAT.

If “typical” cops aren’t expected to risk their safety, then I expect them to take a “typical” paycut.

These Uvalde dudes are being paid like $50k/year or some shit. They'd make more as truck drivers than as Police Officers.

they need brains.

You're not getting brains with these wages. Anyone smarter would have left for far better jobs with far lower stress.

dragontamer ,

A chief tactic is knowing cover vs concealment, especially when you have a high powered rifle that can shoot through bodyarmor, doors, and walls.

Now if you're saying that you support giving the Police regular access to not only higher-powered weapons, but also tactical training so that they start shooting through walls and doors to get what they want done, then... I dunno man. Its an escalation I'm uncomfortable with.

I don't want Police to be thinking they're some hero who can breach doors, shoot into positions or suppressive fire (etc. etc.). I'm fine with them having a pistol-level of force, but Police deciding that shooting through a wall was a good idea is exactly what killed Breonna Taylor (one of the unarmed black people that BLM went ballistic about just a few years ago).

We need to consider the tactical training and mindset of cops when we give them these weapons, mindset and training. IMO, the mistake was that military-style thinking. Cops aren't military, but a bunch of (less-trained) dumbasses on a $50k/year salary is what killed Breonna Taylor IMO. Especially as they escalated far beyond what normal cop behavior should be.

dragontamer ,

I've begun to pay for Kagi.com

I wouldn't say that it "blows my mind" or anything, but simply that it seems to work as expected (which is more than what I can say for Google). There's also a "Fediverse" button on Kagi.com, so it can search lemmy.world (and more??).

dragontamer Mod ,

As long as you think it was good, it belongs here!

Others may not agree with your decision, but the overall idea of this is to have some place to share what we all think are good Lemmy posts. The important part is the human effort, where "you decided". If its something you thought was good, then its worth sharing here.

dragontamer ,

No one is talking about automated theorem provers (see 4 coloring theorem) or symbolic solvers (see Mathematica). These tools already revolutionized math decades ago.

The only thing that came out in the past year or two are LLMs. Which is clearly overhyped bullshit.

dragontamer ,

I thought I'd share with you that someone really liked your post and shared it on a sublemmy I moderate: https://lemmy.world/post/15449701

I also like your post. I realize you're in a shitposting topic so maybe everyone else is just... well... shitposting. But its still good to see experienced posts like yours.

dragontamer ,

I'm just gonna plug "Kagi" here.

Kagi is a paid search engine. Yeah, sucks that we have to pay for good or decent search results, but... as the economic models of the internet change, we need to change with them. I've personally lost faith in freemium ad-supported websites in general.

dragontamer ,

Newspapers were always partially advertisement driven.

But I think everyone would agree with me that Newspapers were better when a substantial base of their $$$ came from their subscriber base.

Nothing is absolute in the world of money. There's always additional sources of money elsewhere. From this perspective, I think we can argue that purely advertisement-driven media is what is most dangerous. Search is an important part of modern digital media, so thinking of the economic realities of funding, and how those economic incentives shape the website and future business is important.

Maybe it fails, but Kagi is trying something new. And that's good enough as an experiment for me. I dunno, maybe I'll revisit the idea in 5 years or so, that's really not much money in the great scheme of things.

At very least, Kagi now has a "Fediverse search", and now that "search-lemmy" seems to have died, I need something like Kagi to more easily search Lemmy.world and other Fediverse locations. (Google ain't so good at this yet).

dragontamer ,

Charged Lemonade tasted like crap anyway. Good riddance.

Panera's regular Lemonade and regular sweetened Green Tea tastes great. So I'm still overall happy with their drink options. But whoever the chef was who created this "Charged Lemonade" stuff needs to be fired.

dragontamer ,

Water plus a bit of fragrance so you can smell something while drinking water.

They're pretty refreshing in my experience. I actually recommend Liquid Death.

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  • dragontamer ,

    Its an all-stock deal.

    Meaning its down to like $47 Billion, last time I checked. As the stock price drops, the cheaper the pay package gets!!

    dragontamer ,

    Only after the Delaware court forced him to.

    Elon is a jackass who runs over all normal senses of decency while repeatedly getting away with it. And he will continue to do so as long as his legion of asshole internet followers continue to worship him on a wide scale, giving him large benefits in our cultural zeitgeist.

    I am happy that people are finally understanding how much of an asshole Elon is today. But he's been pulling this shit since the dawn of Tesla, as the Tesla takeover court cases proved in the 00s.

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