Target is the only reasonable vote for climate! ( slrpnk.net )

MrMakabar , 23 days ago

The Biden scenario is just the policies Biden has passed or is about to pass this term, so before the election being kept. It does not include any policies the Biden adminsitration might pass in the next election. The Trump scenario is Trump killing all climate action Biden has already passed. So the simple truth is that Biden being elected will probably be much better then the Biden scenario in the study, as new laws will be passed. Aka voting for Biden is probably voting for Target.

https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-trump-election-win-could-add-4bn-tonnes-to-us-emissions-by-2030/

mambabasa OP , 23 days ago

That's not the point. Of course you're correct, but the point is there's literally nobody and no state or government in the world willing to actually commit to what the climate actually needs. There are literally dozens of UN reports to this effect. All Biden is doing is tokenism, just like every other so-called climate policy in the world.

I also don't care about arguments about perfection being the enemy of progress. We are literally facing annihilation. We need drastic cuts to fossil fuel production. No government is willing to do that. I will not defend tokenism in the face of annihilation.

MrMakabar , 23 days ago

Every country in the world has a majority of its citizens being for fighting climate change. That is including the US. The issue is that all governments in the world are corrupt. The biggest reason for that is capitalism. That is why you can not vote for target directly and would have to vote for the neoliberal Biden instead, if you are allowed to vote in the first place that is. So capitalism has to be the first and most crutial target. Destroying liberal democracy, is just going to end up with anarcho capitalism.

Also every time we went for a perfection on a large scale, we ended up creating massive problems. There is the slight little issue, that people do not all think alike. So you have to force others to do as you wish, to create perfection. I hope you see the problem. We absolutly need better not perfect and we absolutly can and should do better then Biden.

mambabasa OP , 23 days ago

Again, I'm not talking about perfection. This has nothing to do with perfection being the enemy of good. It's about refusing to support tokenism in the face of annihilation. If Biden does some "good" climate policy, I ain't gonna say "keep it up old man" Imma bully him until he get shit done. THAT is sensible climate activism in the face of annihilation.

Biden is holding the world hostage. He's 75% Hitler against Trump's 150% Hitler. It doesn't matter to me either way since I literally can't vote for either Hitler. I can hardly bully him either from the global south.

bobburger , 23 days ago

Again, I'm not talking about perfection. This has nothing to do with perfection being the enemy of good.

If Biden does some "good" climate policy, I ain't gonna say "keep it up old man" Imma bully him until he get shit done.

It sounds exactly like your letting perfection be the enemy of good.

mambabasa OP , 23 days ago

And what? You happy with these self-congratulating fucks cook us alive with their inaction? Be serious. Bully Biden until he phases out fossil fuels or overthrow the government. Pick one and don't bother me with your contentment.

bobburger , 23 days ago

Lol