Change your Steam review

I’m a PS5 player, so I can’t make an impact, but if you did write a negative review (thank you, you made this happen ❤️) please consider taking the time to change it! This was clearly not AH decision and the game deserves an accurate review, it’s easily one of the best games I’ve ever played and definitely the best game as a service!

Edit: woke up to new comments, this post reminded… Lemmy is just the same as Reddit.

Edit2: Christ I need to turn off Lemmy notifications, I’ve left this community and this was a stark reminder for me… don’t engage with a specific game community, just enjoy the fucking game!

Blaze ,
@Blaze@reddthat.com avatar

Sorry about the negativity you received.

Kedly ,

Tbh, I'm happy with the some of us switching our reviews back and some not. Its both a future warning to not fuck around this hard AND a sign that if you give us what we want, we'll back off

arin ,

Is op post satire?

bouh ,

Sony fanboys are hard at work to get those reviews back to positive. I don't think you can pay people to get a better job than those fanatics. Some are even asking for public apologies to those who had hard words against Sony or arrowhead.

Kroxx ,

I did Monday morning before work, if we punish them when we are upset, they fix it, and we continue to punish them then what is Sony's incentive for backpedaling ?

knightly ,
@knightly@pawb.social avatar

To avoid upsetting people in the first place.

If you change your review, they'll know they can pull shit like this again and you'll still give them money.

YeetPics ,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

Has arrowhead opened the discussion board on steam so I can troubleshoot why I (and hundreds of other players) can't use in-game voice chat?

Oh, they haven't? Oh, arrowhead has ignored all the support tickets I've posted? Oh, you're here trying to fix this shitty companies public image while they ignore serious issues with their product?

Nty.

JJROKCZ ,

Will when I get a chance but sadly I’ll be away from the drop pods for a few days

pelotron ,
@pelotron@midwest.social avatar

Man some of you are some real indignant mother fuckers. Imagine punishing a dog for misbehaving, and the dog changes it's behavior and does what you say. But then you still continue to punish it.

Eyck_of_denesle ,

These companies are worse than dogs. Don't even compare them.

cosmicrookie ,
@cosmicrookie@lemmy.world avatar

A dog will remember being punished - SONY is not that smart

Jumi ,

Difference is I care about the dog

Ookami38 ,

This is more of a case of the dog biting before. This time, the dog growled and snarled, but didn't bite. We were able to set it's food down, but we're not clear of the door just yet, and given past tendencies, we're naturally still worried about getting bit.

Once we're in safety again, we can reward the dog for dialing it back before another bite happened, but we're not clear yet.

SEND_NOODLES_PLS ,

I'm not changing mine until (1) after the 30th, (2) game is back on for purchase in restricted countries, and (3) Sony doesn't backpedal yet again before then.

Look, I honestly get the sentiment and AH deserves the praise for sure, but at this point I honestly can't confidently say I trust Sony to not just be doing all this for positive PR.

laurelraven ,

Well, if they do, that'll be the death of the game

Thcdenton ,

I don't play it but I wouldn't. That's part of Sony's paddlin.

cosmicrookie ,
@cosmicrookie@lemmy.world avatar

If it takes this much effort to pass over 'feedback' for them to learn about the PC platform, then i think the reviews deserve to stay. Its the price SONY chose to pay

p5yk0t1km1r4ge ,
@p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world avatar

No. At this point, it's more about the message.

Chozo ,
Chozo avatar

The only message you're sending is "They gave me what I want but I'm still holding onto this anger".

We won, son. The war's over. You can let go now.

p5yk0t1km1r4ge ,
@p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world avatar

And what of the people who can't play because they pulled the game?

Chozo ,
Chozo avatar

I assume they're all getting refunds, unless Sony and Valve can work something out to allow the sale in those regions again.

laurelraven ,

Don't even see why they would need to work anything out, just inform them they've lifted the requirements and can return to selling in those regions

cosmicrookie ,
@cosmicrookie@lemmy.world avatar

They were forced to change their mind. They didn't change it because you really really wanted it. They dont care what you want.

If steam hadn't started refunding sales, i doubt that they would have changed their mind.

Chozo ,
Chozo avatar

Damaging their sales numbers is what forced them to change their minds, yes. Who did that, again?

We took action (through reviewing the game and requesting refunds) and made demands, they responded and met the demands. I'm not sure what's gotten lost in translation here.

If you tell somebody "Do this, or else" and they do it, you're supposed to drop the "or else" part, otherwise you go from having a legitimate argument to being a bully. Sony capitulated this time, but that'll only keep up in the future if they're given positive reinforcement when they actually fix problems. If Sony gives in and the response we give them is "Fuck you anyway", they're not likely going to cooperate the next time their communities are in uproar over their next inevitable fuckup.

I'm sure the Stellar Blade community is watching us closely, hoping we don't piss off Sony too much before they make their petition to the King.

knightly ,
@knightly@pawb.social avatar

Good. Sony should be afraid of burning their review scores so badly that they can't recover.

If they refuse to cooperate then they deserve to lose market share over forcing unpopular choices on their customers and potential customers.

Chozo ,
Chozo avatar

Okay, and what do they deserve when they do cooperate?

knightly ,
@knightly@pawb.social avatar

Parole.

It'll take years to build up trust again, they need to avoid squandering what little goodwill they have left (from people with memories too short to recall the Sony Music rootkit debacle).

The black mark stays on their permanent record, but they have an opportunity to demonstrate that they have actually reformed and aren't just saying the right things to mitigate the current PR disaster.

YeetPics ,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

Simp harder for the corporation, they need more simping.

Chozo ,
Chozo avatar

You think I'm defending Sony?

bouh ,

The message is that if they even try to fuck up they get to pay it.

ultratiem ,
@ultratiem@lemmy.ca avatar

Yeah fuck no. AH can sue Sony for this (and should). But my review stays there for life as a reminder to Sony (and anyone else who tries to pull this shit).

Just because they backed down =/= they did the right thing. They caved to public (and I'm sure legal) pressure. Nothing more. Fuck Sony and fuck changing a review because WE made a company back down.

No no no no no. No.

lud ,

Shouldn't the review reflect what the game actually is though?

CluelessDude ,
@CluelessDude@lemmy.zip avatar

That's why steam has a review system based on dates, bad reviews will go away as time goes on if the game goes the right direction, the negative reviews simply serve as a point you can see that they fucked up, like a review time capsule. That's how I see it.

ultratiem ,
@ultratiem@lemmy.ca avatar

Yes. If you want to play “by the rules.” They don’t. Not sure why we should then.

FiniteBanjo ,

If the game ships with

  1. additional unnecessary activation requirements

  2. a rootkit

Then those factors should affect the reviews. You're not reviewing specific segments of a product, you're sharing your experience start to finish.

lud ,

The recent reviews aren't about the "rootkit"

And while I don't necessarily disagree I do think that reviews should ideally reflect the game as it currently is and not as it were. It's no big deal though.

Maalus ,

No, the recent reviews are about a company trying to pull a stunt expecting no backlash. There was backlash. You review the game at the time and how it was then. You don't keep re-reviewing after every week to keep your review up to date.

cosmicrookie ,
@cosmicrookie@lemmy.world avatar

If steam hadn't started refunding i dont even think that they'd have changed their mind

Redredme ,

Do what you want, i dont care if the reviews are bad or good.

But i just have to react to your "legal" argument.

Legal pressure over an EULA you accepted when you bought the game and got reminded on when you first started the game? The game you didn't refund for over 3 months and probably have 10s if not 100s of hours in? That EULA?

Because contrary to what you seem to think it was in there from the get go. That it didn't work is nice, but doesn't mean anything.

That they created a workaround because it didn't work is nice of them but again, besides the point.

You accepted the EULA. you clearly didn't read it. Who's fault is that?

The only pressure they felt where you guys making a lot of noise. And that was and is great.

But what did Sony learned? What did they really learn?

I'll tell you:

Next time, when they fuck up.... Don't back down. Because if you do back down the negativity stays anyway and you gain nothing.

That's the lessons the corpos have learned. They've learned they can't win. Just accepting the damage is the better strategy. That way you earn something (the ones who did link) at least.

bouh ,

I signed nothing. There's no fingerprint anywhere. It might be strange to you, but in some places of the world an EULA is not a binding contract signed in blood that you or your children must fulfil.

When we played for months without the link, when there were no advertisement that the link would be enforced at some point, when Sony faq informed that it was optional, this EULA is mere bullshit.

Redredme ,

There is no legal argument. You (or whoever up in this thread) brought that up, not me. I reacted to that. It was never stated anywhere that it was optional. You pulled that out of, I dunno. I strongly suggest you yourself read that faq and dont regurgitate BS you red on discord but didnt bother to confirm yourself.

You accepted the license and the end user agreement the moment you started the game and didn't reimburse the game in the first few hours. No blood, no fingerprint or the life of your firstborn son needed.

Read shit before you click accept. Don't accept what you dont like. That is all.

bouh ,

Sony changed its faq during the debacle. May the 3rd it was stated that psn was optional to play on pc. May the 4th it was stated that some games may require it. The game also allowed you to play without psn account, and there was a button programmed in the game to skip the link. There was no information that it was a temporary bypass anywhere.

I don't know why you support Sony on this kind of bullshit. You don't seem very informed about all the problems there were.

You brought the EULA thing. This is the legal argument. And it's plain worthless.

UckyBon ,

Lemmy is full of Redditors. Hence full of nonsense, full of ads (do you use Proton?), doubling down on a negative review while shipping cash to those companies. Guess what makes them rich 🤑

JackbyDev ,

full of ads (do you use Proton?),

That's a Proton thing then. Lemmy doesn't have ads. Jerboa doesn't have ads.

bhamlin ,

Whether or not they're going to walk back the changes, steam still has the game delisted in the countries where you can't make a psn account. Until that block is lifted, not changing my review at all.

ultratiem ,
@ultratiem@lemmy.ca avatar

Right on! NO ONE CHANGE THEIR REVIEW! This needs to be there for ever. So when Sony a year down the road thinks "maybe?" they can see what happened last time.

No no no no. Review states indefinitely!

Fogle ,

Or when they see it they'll think the reviews will be bad no matter what they do so why not just do what they want

knightly ,
@knightly@pawb.social avatar

Because at that point they can just write off the game for a tax rebate.

finishsneezing ,

Then you won’t be able to react once more.

SkyezOpen ,

Tell me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that a move from steam to mitigate the damage that would occur if Sony went through with the account link requirement?

bhamlin ,

I'm honestly unsure. But that's the point where I personally would consider the issue entirely cured. I.e. steam is ok again with selling the game in places where you can't make a psn account.

Sineljora , (edited )

Meh

Iceluigi ,

Not trying to be a dick, but why even make this comment then?

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