@feditips Isn’t this what we want? For all major social media to federate with each other using an open standard? A big company takes the first big step towards this, and now we suddenly don’t want federation with them anymore?
"Facebook will continue to offer a platform to Holocaust deniers, Infowars, and other publishers of hoaxes on the assumption that they are sincere in their beliefs, CEO Mark Zuckerberg said."
@feditips I don’t love their moderation either, but they are going to be the biggest instance of people on the fediverse, and cutting them off completely from everyone in a server seems extreme. I think we should let people decide for themselves whether or not to interact with Threads. Also, the beauty of the fediverse means they are not in charge of content moderation for all of the fediverse, and mastodon servers can still moderate people on the threads server to fit their rules.
@WhyNotZoidberg 🤣🤦 nothing about it is fascist. This only benefits the Fediverse and hurts Meta. Would you like to answer the question or just hurl insults at people who disagree with you?
@AudraTran Nobody has an obligation to federate with anyone. If you want to federate with meta, be on an instance that has chosen to do so.
I don't want anything to do with Meta; I quit facebook and Instagram years ago, why on earth should I read posts from Threads? I have actively avoided them for three years now.
That said, people who know about the human rights violations and still support them obviously also support human rights violations.
@WhyNotZoidberg I am not telling anyone what to do. The original poster I replied to is. I just asked a question. If you don't have an answer to the question, feel free not to reply to me.
Nobody is advocating for supporting Meta. Quite the opposite, really.
Edit because I've been blocked:
Everyone on Mastodon can personally block an instance. No one is forcing you to listen to the Nazis on Threads anymore than they are the Nazis on the fedi.
@AudraTran The answer to your question is: Your question only makes sense if you are some sort of Freeze Peas absolutist who think it is everybody's right to be heard by everybody and that nobody should have the right to say "no, I do not want anything to do with you because I hate what you stand for".
The "act of federating" here is the same as standing and listening to the campaigning Nazi on the square. I don't want to listen to him, so I do not let him communicate with me.
@WhyNotZoidberg Problem is at least half of these users have nothing to do with Fascism. Maybe the company is facsist, but that doesn't mean everyone who uses its products are fascist.
@AudraTran@feditips For now, I'm going to try to stay on an instance that will federate with threads.net, but if an instance thinks defederation is the best way to serve/protect their users, they should do so.
Sometimes a "net split" is the healthiest solution. Intolerance cannot be tolerated, if we are to preserve tolerance.
@AudraTran Tolerating intolerance can happen over any information transfer mechanism.
I don't think any of the accounts covered by the current Threads beta has been intolerant, but I have heard there are intolerant organizations with a current presence of Threads.
Federation that included transferring their intolerance would be tolerating intolerance.
@feditips All I see on Threads are endless arguments about the current Israel-Hamas war. If Threads gets on its way to implement ActivityPub support, I'm willing to bet that so many of these posts will start creeping into my Mastodon and Lemmy feeds, so I'd rather not deal with that side of the platform.
On the flip side, I can follow people I actually care about without dealing with Meta's bullcrap. So it's all both a curse and a blessing at the same time.
I'm not sure if ads will show up too.
@feditips@skykiss My server administrator at mstdn.social just unilaterally opened us up to #Threads the list of instances blocking threads is not up to date is there an updated link?
The main FediPact list is at https://fedipact.online/ but unfortunately it's not organised into any kind of categories. There are public instances and single user instances mixed together in a big list.
(Hopefully something better will appear soon, just working on something at moment but can't promise anything yet.)
@feditips defederating threads likely doesn't hurt meta. Federating threads likely doesn't grant them access to data they can't already get.
It only hurts users who aren't as technically savvy as us (so aren't aware of non-meta alternatives), and the folks who want to talk with those people.
I want people to abandon threads, but I can't expect normies to understand the problem and migrate to standard mastodon servers. I think normies are an important part of a healthy social network.
@feditips so, US politics take care of those companies. These are legal platforms used by billions of people every day, even those affected by the human right violations.
The European Union is at least trying to pressure silicon valley companys to change, by forcing them to open up.
But the way is not defederate and cut of people who actually do not want to use Metas products and then permit them to stay in contact with their friends.
@feditips I’m extremely disappointed that an account which should be about sharing tips about the Fediverse shares a very subjective POV and call to action. Then it becomes less about helping people in a neutral and friendly way, to being hostile towards certain developments.
Defederating them isn't solving the problem. You'll just be cutting off their userbase who are regular people like my friends/family who have no idea what the fediverse is but still would like to hear the message overall.
Instead, federate and block certain accounts if they become pesky.
@feditips I have zero love for Facebook (the company), but excluding them (the users), I don't think that's the best course of action. It might work out mutual beneficial.
Sort of, but it won't be as effective as a server defederation.
Users blocking a server basically just hides stuff from that server, and removes any follows you have from that server. It's more like closing your eyes to them than actually restricting them.
You can do a "domain block" by clicking on the profile of a person from that server, then clicking ︙ on their profile, and then "block domain".
I just wanted to know how to get this threads blocked in any way. Now I can check if my server has it blocked. And if not, then I can block it myself as a user.
@feditips I worry about the scale it will take to federate content from threads. It could make running an instance that federated with millions of users infeasible, instances that can handle it get more expensive to run and funds dry up for smaller instances as users leave for instances that can handle it.
@feditips As somebody else already wrote on one of your last toots: Leave politics out of an account about tips for the Fediverse!
Feel free to be as politic as you want on your private account, but being biased (even with something you personally see as "valid reason") will only lead to people being put off and stop following your tips.
I am looking forward to finally being able to chat with friends who will ever join Mastodon, without me having to join Threads myself.
@feditips Gatekeeping are we? They haven't even really federated yet, and you are already calling for a boycott. If an individual wishes to block them, then they can.
@blogoklahoma@feditips I don't like the idea of Threads federating and plan to block their server(s) on my personal account, but it seems a bit extreme to block Blog Oklahoma for expressing an opinion.
@angiebaby@feditips I did accuse them of gatekeeping. They might have taken that badly.
I don't think Threads should be blocked at all. Everyday users there have nothing to do with Meta. If you want to block, your choice, and I stand by your decision.
I've been blocked before and will be again. Mostly from RWNJs. Some people just can't hear different opinions.