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kbal , to Go - Weiqi - Baduk
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Well, I finally found out how to subscribe to c/baduk from here. Any baduk players still hanging around?

ruarl ,

@kbal what is c/baduk? I don’t recognise that ?

johncarlosbaez , to Random stuff
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My friends are learning about my current obsession with tuning systems, and starting to ask questions I don't know the answers to.

Last night Michael Fourman asked: if harmonies coming from simple fractions are so natural, do any bird or whale songs feature such harmonies?

So I looked around. It turns out an Australian bird called the pied butcherbird has long been a favorite of many composers! Jean-Michel Maujean figured out the frequency ratios that appear in the songs of this bird. He found the 4 most common ratios are close to

0.607, 0.745, 0.815, and 1.34

He notes that

0.607 is close to going down a major sixth (3/5),
0.745 is close to going down a major third (3/4),
1.34 is close to going up a perfect fourth (4/3),
0.815 is kinda close to going down a major third (4/5).

His work looks good - but he shouldn't have bothered comparing the ratios to 12-tone or 18-tone equal temperament. Equal temperament is a system developed for keyboard instruments in the late 1700s. It would be amazing if the birds used this!

Maujean also has a nice review of the literature on harmonies in bird songs, so I should dig into it:

• Jean-Michel Maujean, Analysing Intonation of the Pied Butcherbird, https://ro.ecu.edu.au/theses_hons/1526/

But I get the feeling that most birds don't sing with frequency ratios that are simple fractions. What's up with these birds?

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  • ruarl ,

    @johncarlosbaez Would I be right in saying that many birds never encounter polyphony*? There must be some that sing together, I guess. I wonder if there's a connection there. Strict rules about harmony are only really necessary if you are modulating keys a lot, or doing polyphony - whether unison, or harmony.

    *edit - I mean intentional polyphony. As opposed to the cacophony of birdsong I mention later.

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