itsfoss , (edited )
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phryk ,
@phryk@mastodon.social avatar

@itsfoss I've noticed that when sharing links to my own website, but I thought this was more of a me-problem with the sites performance.

Will be interesting to see how that'll pan out with the new site I'm currently building… :thaenkin:

akiva ,
@akiva@hed.im avatar

@itsfoss

זה מעניין ואכן נשמע כמו בעיה שדורשת התייחסות אבל לא נראה לי שהפתרון אמור להיות ״אל תשתפו לינקים שלנו בבקשה״. זה משהו שאמור להיפתר ברמת התשתית ולא בלבקש מאנשים לשנות את ההרגלים שלהם

neon ,
@neon@freeradical.zone avatar

@itsfoss

If you don't want to get this traffic, stop offering up public link previews. You are the ones choosing to provide that metadata.

Someone has to pay for the bandwidth spent on distributing your link previews. You're the ones who monetise from clicks to your website- why don't you pay for it by getting better hosts?

But no, you write this rent-seeking post insisting that Mastodon instances (many of whom do this for free) should let you freeload your rich presence traffic. Shameful.

XAGinfo ,
@XAGinfo@mastodontech.de avatar

@itsfoss
🤔 ein wirklich interessanter und wichtiger Aspekt, den ich hier auch nicht kleinreden will. Aber der Lösungsansatz, die User zu bitten, keine Links mehr zu verbreiten, ist sinnlos. Für entsprechende Performance eines Servers oder einer Farm ist die Betreiberin verantwortlich: Caches, CDN etc.

itsfoss OP ,
@itsfoss@mastodon.social avatar

@XAGinfo Not sharing our links is more of an expression than a literal meaning.

Can we stop people from sharing links, no, right? We don't have that power.

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erlend ,
@erlend@writing.exchange avatar

@itsfoss great follow-up getting into more technical details and a possible solution here: https://corteximplant.com/@0x0/112371211601145192

axx ,
@axx@mstdn.fr avatar

@itsfoss It's quite telling that there are several comments telling you how you could be handling this on your side. There is clearly an issue on the Mastodon side, but you are not powerless either and can configure things differently on your end to better manage the situation. I'm guessing you didn't realise that was the case. Also, it seems unlikely that Mastodon traffic is going to be enough to defeat Cloudflare CDN.

johnteachestech ,
@johnteachestech@techhub.social avatar

@itsfoss

If this were true, why are you yourself sharing it on Mastodon?

This is highly inaccurate misinformation, and I'm assuming the people whom work there know enough about computers to know this.

Please issue a correction and an apology.

itsfoss OP ,
@itsfoss@mastodon.social avatar
johnteachestech ,
@johnteachestech@techhub.social avatar

@itsfoss

Ok maybe its not misinformation that its a ddos threat for YOUR current servers, but to imply that it's a Mastodon issue and not an Its FOSS issue, is misleading and inaccurate.

A single website visitor from twitter could ddos a server if its weak enough, but Mastodon itself is even run on home lab servers.

If you want to republish the article as 'It's FOSS isn't willing to put a very small amount of effort into scaling to support FOSS social media users' then it would be accurate.

Look, It's FOSS is a great publication and people like it, myself included. Don't let one bad article tarnish the reputation.

mapache ,
@mapache@hachyderm.io avatar

@itsfoss If feel that boosting this is like when someone reply to all, to say that you should not reply to all.

jackemled ,
@jackemled@furry.engineer avatar

@itsfoss my dude the issue is your site

evolvable ,
@evolvable@aus.social avatar

@itsfoss I see a strong irony in a publication that’s literally all about FOSS saying someone else should fix this problem. If you want to see something fixed in a community-powered, open source project, why not roll up your sleeves and get to work on it?

itsfoss OP ,
@itsfoss@mastodon.social avatar

@evolvable, why do you think an end user of an open source project should also be capable of fixing issues in the project's codebase?

By this logic, only developers should use an open source project or they should keep their mouths shut about the issues they encounter.

evolvable ,
@evolvable@aus.social avatar

@itsfoss That’s not what I was saying. Just thought an article that’s essentially asking “Why hasn’t this community of non-profit employees and volunteers fixed the thing that I think is most important in this software I’m not paying for?” was pretty odd, especially from an outlet familiar with the trade-offs of FOSS.

etam ,
@etam@im-in.space avatar

@itsfoss What you need is server side caching: https://www.nginx.com/blog/benefits-of-microcaching-nginx/
I was involved once in hosting a Ghost blog and it was a must.

chuang ,
@chuang@noc.social avatar

@itsfoss it sounds more like the site's issue for not being able to handle ~100 requests per second

kagan ,
@kagan@wandering.shop avatar

@itsfoss I saw the headline and was prepared for some kind of entitled or otherwise stupid thing, but when I read what his reason was, I immediately became a convert. I understand his problem.

If main Mastodon doesn't fix this soon, maybe the upcoming hard fork can prioritize it? @are0h

demiurg ,
@demiurg@fosstodon.org avatar

@itsfoss Yes, it is a problem for the page of @Teri_Kanefield as well. It's hard to handle for anyone who wants to just host a website and posts links on Mastodon.

julian ,
@julian@fietkau.social avatar

@itsfoss If you want to follow the discussion on fixes for this on the Mastodon side, it's here: https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/23662 Fix currently slated for 4.4.0 it looks like.

robb ,
@robb@social.lol avatar

@itsfoss We need to talk about your site endlessly loading data (it's currently at 198mb) for ads and god knows what else

gamingonlinux ,
@gamingonlinux@mastodon.social avatar

@itsfoss We have many many times your followers, often have posts massively shared, and never encountered a problem with it.

What are you server specs?

itsfoss OP ,
@itsfoss@mastodon.social avatar

@gamingonlinux on the news website, we have a 2 CPU, 2 GB RAM server. On the main itsfoss website, we have 4 CPU, 8 GB RAM server. Both are on Digital Ocean and we use Ghost CMS with Cloudflare for caching.

gamingonlinux , (edited )
@gamingonlinux@mastodon.social avatar

@itsfoss so you’re using their pretty small cloud VPS then, that on top of how ridiculously heavy your site is (which others have pointed out) is not helping

dropestrauss ,
@dropestrauss@mastodon.online avatar

@itsfoss @gamingonlinux
Wow, that's tiny 🤯 (considering how popular your websites are)

carto ,
@carto@mastodon.online avatar

@itsfoss I wonder if it'd be possible to generate a static stub HTML with just the preview info, and serve that to masto bots. After all, a small image, a heading and a couple of fields of metadata won't consume much bandwidth, or server resources - the stub needs to be generated only when the article itself changes, and serving a couple of k is fast and very resource-friendly.

DavidMarzalC ,
@DavidMarzalC@mastodon.escepticos.es avatar

@itsfoss Good catch @t3rr0rz0n3 :osrs_search:

eb ,
@eb@social.coop avatar

@itsfoss

This is ridiculous. My website served dynamic content to 1 million visitors for 30 cents a few weeks ago. It remained responsive. If all 18k instances on the fedi requested my site, it would cost half a cent.

You should look into changing whatever hosting provider you have to something that's more economical or powerful. Your ads could fund this. If Mastodon can DDoS you, a bad actor easily could.

In addition, you can cache HTML for mastodon via Cloudflare: https://developers.cloudflare.com/cache/troubleshooting/customize-caching/#before-you-begin

floweringmind ,
@floweringmind@mastodon.social avatar

@itsfoss you take your site off the web and go back to printing it on paper and handing it out to people on the street.

mitsunee ,
@mitsunee@ieji.de avatar

@itsfoss I've hosted a popular gaming website on the free hobby tier on vercel for years and never had any load issues even around the biggest events of the year which nearly knocked out 80% of my monthly bandwidth within 3 days. Clearly whatever you are using isn't worth the money.

avrtm ,
@avrtm@mastodon.la avatar

@itsfoss Y claro, la mejor forma de pedir que no compartan links a vuestra web es compartiendo un link a vuestra web...

firecat ,
@firecat@mstdn.social avatar

@itsfoss Maybe it’s Cloudflare instead because they said it stops DDos. It sounds like once again FOSS.org is blaming something that happened because you refuse to not switch away from JavaScript. All your problems can go away if you stopped using closed door software.

fmartingr ,
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@itsfoss Can you set up a rule to serve a cached version if the user agent is a mastodon instance?

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