ben ,
@ben@m.benui.ca avatar

Stack Overflow announced that they are partnering with OpenAI, so I tried to delete my highest-rated answers.

Stack Overflow does not let you delete questions that have accepted answers and many upvotes because it would remove knowledge from the community.

So instead I changed my highest-rated answers to a protest message.

Within an hour mods had changed the questions back and suspended my account for 7 days.

Diff view of a stack overflow question showing it being changed from the original text to a protest message, then being changed back again by a mod. Protest text reads: Why does OpenAI get to profit from our work? I have removed this question in protest of Stack Overflow's decision to partner with OpenAI. This move steals the labour of everyone who contributed to Stack Overflow with no way to opt-out. OpenAI has a history of flooding the web with inaccurate information and have explicitly stated that they will never pay creators for their work.

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  • 13xforever ,
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    @ben I mean

    user contributions licensed under CC BY-SA

    I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think you can do anything about it, they're technically hosting a copy of your content with attribution to you, which doesn't make you an owner of the data, in particular this clause:

    Adapt — remix, transform, and build upon the material for any purpose, even commercially.

    gives them right to fuck their userbase in the ass by using the data in other services

    ben OP ,
    @ben@m.benui.ca avatar

    @13xforever They're then selling that data to OpenAI which does not abide by this license. I'm not getting attribution there, and they're not licensing it as CC-SA-BY whch is required.

    https://m.benui.ca/@ben/112401140834395509

    juergen_hubert ,
    @juergen_hubert@thefolklore.cafe avatar

    @ben I've often thought that a -based alternative to Quora would be very useful. It seems a Stack Overflow alternative would likely be a good opportunity.

    lyonsinbeta ,
    @lyonsinbeta@mastodon.social avatar

    @ben I recall hearing somewhere that all that content is a super permissive copy left license and it turns out it is! One that requires attribution and transformations to declare what was changed. I'm sure nothing will come of that but if any lawyers out there want to take up the banner, a person could make a strong argument that open AI is incapable of honoring the license. 🤔

    https://stackoverflow.com/help/licensing

    https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

    ben OP ,
    @ben@m.benui.ca avatar

    I'm requesting that my questions and answers be permanently deleted under GDPR.

    ben OP ,
    @ben@m.benui.ca avatar

    It's just a reminder that anything you post on any of these platforms can and will be used for profit. It's just a matter of time until all your messages on Discord, Twitter etc. are scraped, fed into a model and sold back to you.

    hunterhacker ,

    @ben Why do people care if someone like me gets your excellent answer to a coding question by typing my error message into Google (forwarding to SO) or into ChatGPT?

    In neither situation were you getting paid. In both situations the middle man makes a buck. In both situations I’m thankful you spent time helping me.

    Is it that with ChatGPT I don’t know who to thank?

    nus ,
    @nus@mstdn.social avatar

    @hunterhacker @ben with ChatGPT the answer gets turned into atoms and reconstructed, often with errors. It's not showing anyone's answer, it's showing a slop that approximates what it thinks looks most correct.

    You have no one to thank, no one to correct, and ChatGPT couldn't start to tell you where the answer came from even if it was 99% from one person.

    jessamyn ,
    @jessamyn@glammr.us avatar

    @ben Good luck. GDPR is a strong tool.

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