Ensign_Crab

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Ensign_Crab ,

It's so neat watching lemmy's biden stans pretend they haven't spent months doing nothing but shrieking abuse at those who oppose genocide.

Ensign_Crab ,

Until very recently, centrist Democrats were calling anyone who suggested withholding weapons russian chinese child shill bot tankie fascists.

Ensign_Crab , (edited )

I'm sure centrists have some conspiracy theory for why the genocide they supported for so long isn't as popular as they wanted it to be.

Ensign_Crab ,

I know what I meant, and so do you. Of course Republicans are dogshit.

But I'm not gonna pretend that centrists weren't screaming abuse at people who opposed genocide until three days ago.

Ensign_Crab ,

What distilled fucking hogwash. The fact of the matter is, anytime anyone said that Biden should stop supporting genocide, centrists would immediately assume that the person saying it was advocating for voting for Trump or not voting at all.

And you could say you were voting for Biden over and over and they wouldn't believe you and continue the abuse.

And you're seriously gonna sit there and lie about it. You're gonna pretend that centrists haven't spent the past few months being utterly vicious toward anyone who said that Biden should stop supporting genocide? And you're accusing me of gaslighting?

Tell me again how we totally left Iraq in 2007.

Ensign_Crab ,

Protests work. Contentment doesn't change anything.

Ensign_Crab ,

It had no consequences last time. Of course he'll try it again.

Ensign_Crab ,

I love how, whenever centrists kill some progressive policy, centrists are like "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good," but let a progressive suggest actual incremental change toward something centrists don't want to do, and suddenly centrists want immediate perfection.

Ensign_Crab ,

Sending the message that Republicans are above the law.

They Used to Say Arabs Can’t Have Democracy Because It’d Be Bad for Israel. Now the U.S. Can’t Have It Either. ( theintercept.com )

A serious red line has been crossed: America’s democratic freedoms, expansive on paper, will simply not tolerate serious dissent on the U.S.–Israel relationship. As criticisms of Israel have become more mainstream, the attempt to shut them down entirely has become more extreme....

Ensign_Crab ,

That’s when I learned that Republicans don’t listen to protesters.

The best part was in 2006 when Democrats retook congress and demonstrated that they were just as much a rubber stamp for war as Republicans had been.

Ensign_Crab ,

And then stayed until 2011.

Ensign_Crab ,

Making up excuses after the fact doesn't change what it was at the time.

Ensign_Crab ,

I don't need you gaslighting me about something I saw unfold.

Democrats overwhelmingly voted for the Iraq war. They made encouraging noises about stopping, but they did not get out in 2007 like you lied. They took until 2011, and if they had a Republican president to capitulate to at the time, they would have kept it going longer.

Ensign_Crab ,

Biden was making himself look bad by supporting genocide. Hopefully this is indicative of more positive change to come.

Ensign_Crab ,

He's gonna start calling you a propagandist soon.

Ensign_Crab ,

Of course he would. They work.

Ensign_Crab ,

God damn, you're so mad that Biden listened to the protesters you hate because they oppose genocide.

Ensign_Crab ,

God damn, you’re so anti-Biden that you seek out anyone showing any understanding of nuance to troll them.

I just said Biden did a good thing: he listened to protesters.

All I said was there is no proof.

Uh huh. Can't have those protesters thinking that they're effective. Can't have them noticing that the needle fucking moved.

You're. Spreading. Propaganda.

You REALLY need to stop following me around

You're not in a position to talk about following people around. You kept spamming "I knew who posted this" every time you saw return2ozma post something that wasn't as pro-genocide as you would have preferred.

Ensign_Crab ,

Cautiously optimistic.

Ensign_Crab ,

Learn NUANCE.

NUANCE = agreeing with you about everything.

Socialists think they can take credit for every good thing Biden does while simultaneously shitting on him at every turn?

I prefer Biden have pressure from his left as well as from his right.

I’ve nothing more to say to you.

Heard this lie before.

Ensign_Crab ,

Well, yes.

Centrists and progressives both know Netanyahu is committing genocide.

Progressives oppose it.

Centrists don't.

Ensign_Crab ,

Because centrists don't like the more accurate term "Vichy Democrats".

Ensign_Crab ,

His head just did that.

Ensign_Crab ,

...reportedly?

Ensign_Crab ,

I've avoided saying anything about Biden's age because of how singularly vicious centrists have been about Sanders' age for most of a decade.

I figured Biden's age is why centrists decided to cool it on the ageism about Trump.

Guess they're only ageist against politicians to their left.

Ensign_Crab ,

How likely is it that a republican’s going to be elected if he doesn’t run?

How likely is it that his replacement will be a progressive, given the party's years of anti-progressive fuckery?

Ensign_Crab ,

No, just that he may be holding on for essentially that reason.

Ensign_Crab ,

Turns out, if your contractor kills enough people with their slapdash products, even go fever has its limits.

Ensign_Crab ,

The mods aren't your pet censors.

You just want an enforced echo chamber where things you don't want anyone to read are verboten.

Ensign_Crab ,

It's almost as though I don't like punching left.

Ensign_Crab ,

"Propaganda" is what you call stuff people to your left say.

All you do is punch left while screaming that you're punching right.

"Nuance" is when everything you want the mods to censor for you is "propaganda".

Ensign_Crab ,

It’s not just something that people only to my left say.

As far as you're concerned, anything to your left is propaganda that you want immediately censored forever.

And how many times am I going to have to argue with your little sock puppets over this?

I have only one account on world, and one on nsfw that doesn't do politics at all. That's it, that's all. I have zero sockpuppet accounts.

Ensign_Crab ,

And again, the fact that you ONLY come to the defense of those that share it, and not those that stand against it

You identify anything to your left as propaganda. I'm under no obligation to punch left just because you want me to.

and not those that stand against it illustrates how you’re here in bad faith to troll anyone to the right of you.

I'm not here in bad faith, and I'm not trolling just because you don't like that what I have to say is to your left.

If you want someone punching left here, you have that covered. Punching left is all you do.

Ensign_Crab ,

ROFL… were done here

Yeah, I've heard this lie before from you.

I can’t exist within the made-up world you live in and simultaneously make any sense to you.

You make perfect sense. You don't want anyone to be exposed to any ideas to your left, so you call it all propaganda in the hopes that it will be removed for you.

You’re going to rearrange whatever I say to mean whatever you need it to.

And you're going to imagine that lemmy is vast and important enough to be a target for propagandists.

Ensign_Crab ,

I see your definition of "done" is constructed from the same self-serving bullshit as your definition of "propaganda."

Ensign_Crab ,

If one actually exists.

Ensign_Crab ,

"Second verse, same as the first" isn't new.

Ensign_Crab ,

In this thread, we see that centrists haven't forgotten how to be viciously ageist.

Ensign_Crab ,

Shit or get off the pot, your honor.

Ensign_Crab ,

And when they're done, they will have adopted virtually all of Republicans' current immigration policies and will have cast those policies as reasonable.

Ensign_Crab ,

Maybe being complete and total assholes to Muslims in Michigan who are upset about the party's genocide support wasn't the best idea.

Ensign_Crab ,

We should keep a record of the nay votes so we can remind them should any of them be diagnosed with cancer.

Ensign_Crab ,

Too many Americans think Tony Stark was heroic before the cave.

Ensign_Crab ,

Pretty sure he just hopes everyone won't be paying attention when he resumes.

Ensign_Crab ,

You’re not convincing any rational person to agree with your monochromatic views.

No rational person supports genocide.

Ensign_Crab ,

"That's the way we've always done it" is a shitty reason for supporting genocide.

Ensign_Crab ,

No, just dismissing your evidence-free ridiculous statement with greater attention than it will ever deserve.

Ensign_Crab ,

This thread is 4 days old. If you're gonna wait a whole day between comments just to see how long you can keep this going, I'm not going to continue.

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