TonyStark ,
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I’ve said this before but apparently it hasn’t sunk in but if you say “Biden has lost my vote”, don’t expect anyone to listen to you or be surprised he’s not out gunning for it. The election is 6 months out. If there’s no way you’re voting for him, nobody fucking cares what you want.

You can enjoy likely a 7-2 or 8-1 conservative SCOTUS that will be grinding down our rights for the next generation or three. Enjoy that.

Snowshadow ,
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@TonyStark
Some people can't comprehend they are falling for Russian disinformation and Trump propaganda while at the same time promoting it and the fall of democracy in the US when they decide to not vote at all and encourage others to do the same.

People need to think very hard about this because with Biden you will be able to vote again in four years with Trump that right will end.

jeff ,
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@TonyStark

And may I add one small comment, "If you've already decided to vote against Biden, then, from the bottom of my heart, go fuck yourselves!"

It will be your fault what happens next. I will make sure you remember this forever.

All because you got your news from someplace other than an actual news site (cough social media cough) and your unchecked emotions took over creating a false narrative to the levels where you are making a life impacting decision based off those "feelings".

PamelaBarroway ,
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@TonyStark I just can't with all the people doing variations of "Biden just lost the election" and "Biden just lost my vote" especially among my Jewish community.

Anyone who says they're not going to vote for him for this or that policy decision is a nihilist JUST LIKE the far-left protesters.

Here's is a really good overview of the sitch from Michael A. Cohen's Truth or Consequences newsletter: https://truthandcons.substack.com/p/a-rafah-explainer

k3ym0 ,
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@PamelaBarroway @TonyStark has it occurred to you that perhaps the “far-left protesters” simply don’t like kids dying?

RiaResists ,
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@k3ym0 @PamelaBarroway @TonyStark
Nobody does. We all (Dems, libs, progressives, etc) hate it & want it to stop.
If you want to ensure more carnage, fuck around w your vote.
Biden is on OUR side, & of anyone we could have as POTUS right now I can’t think of anyone who’d be better. Even if things were normal but he’s in after Trump- none of this shit would be happening if not for that POS.

Pineywoozle ,
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@k3ym0 Has it occurred to you that the “people” who say they won’t vote for Biden would de facto be voting for more kids to die? @PamelaBarroway @TonyStark

Sunspot ,
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@Pineywoozle @k3ym0 @PamelaBarroway @TonyStark Anyone claiming to care about any oppressed people who want to declare they want Trump in obviously don’t care about oppressed people at all but get excited about making a narcissistic anti-social statement.

maggiejk ,
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@Sunspot @Pineywoozle @k3ym0 @PamelaBarroway @TonyStark no some of us are part of the largest marginalized group in America (disabled people) and we’re not voting for a president who has been telling us that we don’t matter and we should hurry up and go die for his economy. My survival instinct literally will not allow me to vote for someone who is trying to kill me off for brunch and shopping. sorry, not sorry.

Pineywoozle ,
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@maggiejk So how does it make sense to defacto vote for someone who will be magnitudes worse for everyone, you included? I would genuinely like to hear how you can do that to other vulnerable people. @Sunspot @k3ym0 @PamelaBarroway @TonyStark

noisenerd ,
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@Pineywoozle @maggiejk @Sunspot @k3ym0 @PamelaBarroway @TonyStark Some people are trying to get a 3rd party past the 5% mark to qualify for federal funding etc. Some think electoral politics is a waste of effort that could be put into things like mutual aid. You don't have to agree, but neither of these is a "de facto vote" for anyone.

How does it make sense to vote for a party that has repeatedly shown us that it has the same contempt for us as their supposed rivals?

Pineywoozle ,
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@noisenerd None of that will happen if tRump wins. Once you get past the primaries any vote not cast for Biden is a defacto vote for tRump. After the primaries it becomes an incontrovertible math problem. None of Biden’s actions have shown “contempt” for you or anyone else. If you don’t understand the true danger posed by tRump please read more because what he has planned should scare the hell out of you. look up Project 2025 @maggiejk @Sunspot @k3ym0 @PamelaBarroway @TonyStark

noisenerd ,
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@Pineywoozle @Sunspot @k3ym0 @PamelaBarroway @TonyStark That's not how democracy works. I understand what you're trying to say, but I think it's silly.

  • Biden is participating in a genocide, and shows contempt by continuing to do so
  • As @maggiejk pointed out, he has shown contempt for disabled people through his COVID (and other) policies
  • He supports increased police funding, despite a continued upward trend in the number killed by cops each year
Pineywoozle ,
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@noisenerd That is exactly how a non vote in a two party race works. Ask a mathematician. He hasn’t shown contempt. He’s working within the abilities any president would have to shift public opinion and work to undo the garbage tRump did. He supports funding the police in a way that gets the right type of response not just guns. Actually read his policies. @Sunspot @k3ym0 @PamelaBarroway @TonyStark @maggiejk

noisenerd ,
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@Pineywoozle @Sunspot @k3ym0 @PamelaBarroway @TonyStark @maggiejk I've read the policies. They don't come anywhere near properly addressing the issues.
The last thing I'm gonna say here is that when you find yourself making excuses for a person/party that supports genocide and mass incarceration (for starters), it may be time to re-examine your position.

Pineywoozle ,
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@noisenerd I haven’t made excuses, I’ve stated facts. I’m not happy with every decision Biden’s made but I know that if tRump gets a 2nd term everything you think so bad about Biden will be exponentially worse. I know my vote & your vote can potentially save lives. That is my priority. I know that every American who doesn’t vote risks a second tRump term & if you don't like Biden’s choices you need to look in a mirror if you make that choice. @Sunspot @k3ym0 @PamelaBarroway @TonyStark @maggiejk

Sunspot ,
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@Pineywoozle @noisenerd @k3ym0 @PamelaBarroway @TonyStark @maggiejk I’m really glad to see my instance has all these weirdos going on days later at you blocked, piney.

Pineywoozle ,
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@Sunspot When they get all riled up I ignore my mentions for a day or so. let em spend their ammo then knock it back out of their fake targets point by point. They delete their posts but my info stays in their @ replies. It works better than you’d think. Days sometimes months later I still get people they might of convinced with their slanted misinformation coming and asking questions, in search of actual dialogue. 🥰 @noisenerd @PamelaBarroway @TonyStark

TonyStark OP ,
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@Pineywoozle @Sunspot @noisenerd @PamelaBarroway It’s appreciated. People read it so it’s good to do. I can’t see what they’re saying to you because my blocklist is so massive at this point.😂😂😂

Pineywoozle ,
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@TonyStark lol Thanks. Most of them end up on my block list as well but I leave some of the bigger ones just to counter the reach of their BS. @Sunspot @PamelaBarroway

Tengrain ,
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@Pineywoozle @TonyStark @Sunspot @PamelaBarroway

Whenever I hear anything along the lines of so-and-so needs to “earn my vote,” all I can think is that the person wants to have their vote bought.

It’s not principled, it’s transactional.

mastodonmigration , (edited )
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@Tengrain @Pineywoozle @TonyStark @Sunspot @PamelaBarroway

Over time we learn that voting for someone is almost always not an endorsement. It is out of fear and rejection of the alternative.

Figure out who you are most afraid of, and vote for the other guy.

DebR ,
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@mastodonmigration @Tengrain @Pineywoozle @TonyStark @Sunspot @PamelaBarroway This is the best way I have seen this explained. Thank you.

EmilyK ,
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@Pineywoozle @Sunspot @k3ym0 @PamelaBarroway @TonyStark @maggiejk

I'm torn on whether or not @noisenerd is a troll whose job it is to wear down people desperate to not fall into Fascism. They're often on the big platforms (mastodon.[abc]) and say things like "both sides are the same" and "Biden supports genocide" while refusing to respond to people pointing out that Trump has plans to carry out genocide here in America. @Snowshadow? Your take?

lovelylovely ,
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@PamelaBarroway @TonyStark It's absolutely insane and disingenuous not understanding that is not to blame for the attacks on Oct-7 2023 When the lie and propaganda from Qatar who is the biggest financial supporter of Hamas militant terrorist org while the far-left that despise the Democratic party just to create chaos to deliver a Trump presidency as most of them are being funded by GOP operatives.

samiamsam ,
@samiamsam@mastodon.social avatar

@lovelylovely @PamelaBarroway @TonyStark Biden is NOT the prime minister of Israel, our government shared intelligence about the pending Oct 7th attacks, Bibi KNEW the attack was pending

We are lucky to have Biden, the foreign policy wonk with decades of experience as POTUS right now

so stop with the 'this is all Biden's fault'

it is NOT

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