Maggoty

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Maggoty ,

People wouldn't click on it if it didn't infer the police did the shooting, right?

Maggoty ,

Yeah. But they knew. This kind of implication is an art form these days.

Maggoty ,

Oh no. That was Kentucky. Notably they don't have the ten commandments in their classrooms for some weird reason. I guess we're going to find out if that SCOTUS ruling still applies.

Maggoty ,

Oh wow now they're Trump supporters and Communists? LMAO

This is getting ridiculous.

Maggoty ,

As opposed to the liberals who decry anything to their left as tanky?

Maggoty ,

It's not a good faith argument. They don't want to question their support for Biden. So instead of actually thinking critically they make shit up so they can dismiss any criticism that would force them to actually think.

Maggoty ,

No. There is no moral responsibility to vote for someone who hasn't earned that vote. That's a construct meant to remove the politician's responsibility to their constituents. An Astroturf by the donor class to protect their influence. Stop doing their work for them. They don't care about you beyond how much money you can make them.

Maggoty ,

It's just more threats and insults for progressives that refuse to just toe the line. Don't you know a proper leftist/progressive/liberal is obedient?

Maggoty ,

The convention absolutely can select a different candidate.

Maggoty ,

What primary? There was some bullshit formality thing. But there wasn't any actual primary.

Maggoty ,

That's true but his messaging is heads and shoulders better. The longer Biden insists that the people are wrong and the economy is actually doing great, the worse it will get. People aren't dumb, but they aren't geniuses either. They can see their purchasing power is severely restricted from pre-covid times. Without training in economics, politics, and policy; they just aren't going to be able to realize that it was a coincidence more than anything Trump did for them.

Maggoty ,

If that's deep throating a candidate then what's someone who actually likes Trump?

Maybe if you guys stopped pushing away anyone who doesn't "deep throat" Biden you'd have more support?

Maggoty ,

Did you see the meme at the top? I'm not so sure that's true anymore.

Maggoty ,

He just calls anyone to the left of him a tankie. He has no clue what it actually means.

Maggoty ,

Political parties exist in the free market just like corporations. If they can't earn votes a new party will form. It's happened before and it will happen again. That's why they message with fear. It's effective at turning off any critical thinking.

Maggoty ,

The convention could always select a different democrat. Or it could have if the democrats hadn't purposely put it after the ballot deadline in many states so Biden would already be on the ballot, before the convention that supposedly nominates him.

It's just not the either/or situation you're looking for. It's entirely possible to be so disgusted by the state of American politics that you just don't vote. Or you vote third party. Your memes are having a negative impact at this point. Nobody who was on the fence is going to say, "Oh gosh I don't want to be commie, I better vote Joe!"

Maggoty ,

Oh look over there, a mile to your left! It's the point you missed.

Maggoty ,

Where's his moral responsibility? Why am I the only one with a moral responsibility? Where's the moral responsibility of his base? Where's your moral responsibility? Is it okay with genocide as long as it's over there? It's okay over there but here crimes a magnitude lower suddenly become a moral imperative?

You have no morals.

Maggoty ,

It's the duty of the party to nominate an electable candidate is it not? They had a farce of a primary this year, so the only hope left is a hail mary out of the convention.

Maggoty ,

And responding to every comment with ad hominems is the mark of a rational organization known for critical thinking.

Maggoty ,

Oh? Where's the genocide? Point it out. You guys started this talking point a month ago and nobody has given even an attempt at rationalizing this talking point. You just sound like the guy on the street with a cardboard sign ranting at god. And even better there's a real one going on right now that Biden is supporting. This wouldn't be you trying your hand at some Good Old Projection would it?

Maggoty ,

Sometimes it is. Sometimes you have to push it off the cliff.

Maggoty ,

Oh shit. Looks like you're saying it right now. I've never equated the two. And yet here you are swearing at me. Now I don't scare easily and I don't let people on the internet tell me how to vote. But this ain't how you get more votes. Fear mongering and threats have never worked for the democrats. So the only "fucking idiots" I see here are you guys, pushing voters away.

Maggoty ,

There is a side that could be worth supporting. But you're making very hard to do so. Biden could win the election today by cutting off military aid to Israel. Instead he has goons out here threatening everyone. So far I'm not sure what I get for supporting him. You guys talk about plan 2025, but this kind of bullshit used to just be Republican stuff. So from where I'm sitting it looks like the DNC is giving up on Democracy too. It's certainly giving up on listening to it's voters.

Maggoty ,

Yup the occasional murder by racist is 100 percent comparable to a man made famine and campaign of ethnic cleansing by military units.

Maggoty ,

Democracy in the party flew the coop when we didn't have a real primary this year. Having a single candidate is not democracy. It's a rubber stamp oligarchy.

Maggoty ,

Oh no, I mean that in a very real way. There's people available to help you if you want. This level of aggressiveness over someone else not supporting your group is not healthy.

Maggoty ,

Show me then. I'm not going to make spurious accusations.

Maggoty ,

That's a coherent paragraph. Each sentence is meant to support and provide context for the others. So taking it all out of context isn't helpful in decoding it's meaning.

Maggoty ,

It certainly wasn't a good thing.

Maggoty ,

Still no evidence of any genocidal plans. Just more mud at the wall.

Maggoty ,

Go ahead. Don't be surprised if someone shows me actual evidence and I change my position. It's how rational people operate.

Maggoty ,

You're still not getting it. I don't care about you. I'm not going to vote either way because of you. But being an ass doesn't attract voters. That's all I'm trying to tell you.

Maggoty ,

I never said democracy as a whole was destroyed. I said the party is looking for people to rubber stamp it's oligarchs. If you want to be dismissive that's fine but at least keep up.

Maggoty ,

You don't care so much you responded to someone telling us their experiences with vitriol.

Maggoty ,

Unfortunately that's not going to work. Biden's biggest donors were pissed he even paused the 2,000 pound bombs. Voting out the republicans isn't going to purge this rot. We've worshipped at the altar of money for too long and now we're going to pay the price. As the old question goes, "What happens when the lords have more power than the king?"

Maggoty ,

That's pretty Ironic. Considering the unsexy thing to avoid Fascism here is to boycott the presidential election. The Democrats are sliding into Fascism just as surely as the Republicans. The GOP is just more open about it. The Democrats are right now listening to their donors over their constituency and violently repressing the people's protests over being connected to war crimes. The exact kind of oligarchic rule seen in Fascism. With the Democrats lurching ever further to the right rewarding them again isn't going to change that behavior.

Maggoty ,

libertarian leftists? That's an oxymoron.

Maggoty ,

Nah, the kids know the score.

Maggoty ,

Oh no we can't do the right thing now! We did the wrong thing 100 years ago and the rules of consistency mean we must keep doing the wrong thing no matter what!1111!!

Maggoty ,

Well they didn't listen when we did vote so fuck em. And no, participating in Capitalism is not an endorsement of capitalism. Never was, never will be, because participation is enforced.

Maggoty ,

I helped run the phone lines for Biden in 2020. And what did I get? I got shit on. I got to watch my country participate in a fucking genocide. You don't get to support that and then claim it's some radical minority that's the problem. The majority of non republicans want him to at least condition aid if not stop it all together at this point. All he has to do is follow the already written laws he's been ignoring.

Maggoty ,

There are more jews against the Israeli government at this point than for it. Yes he'd need to walk a line but that's true of any campaign. The line he's on right now sure as hell ain't working.

Maggoty ,

The best time to plant a tree was yesterday. The next best time is today. As you point out, this doesn't get better if we keep doing the same thing. So now is the time.

Maggoty ,

But fleeing in it of itself, is a crime. ... but if fleeing wasn’t illegal, you could just run from police, they can’t stop you.

Well that's not true. Obviously the police can chase you and arrest you. We've already established they can place you under arrest at any time for any reason. Why does it matter if they get a workout first? Why is fleeing a crime in and of itself? Shouldn't the actual crime be the crime? Trying not to have your life exploded is just a human reaction. Burglary is a crime. Fleeing is human. Criminalizing humanity is just another way to abuse power.

Body Cameras are nice. When they're aimed correctly, or turned on, or even exist in that police department. But the problem remains that a police officer need do nothing but accuse you and rough you up. Even with a body camera that gets a conviction. Unsurprisingly 5 guys pretending to wrestle a 100 pound drug addict sells to a jury. Compliance does not matter. You can be the most compliant person in the world. They can accuse you of letting your body become dead weight. If you try to help them then you're actively resisting. Either way gets you face down with a taser in your ass.

And yeah the Brady list, for cops caught lying in court. A good district fires those cops. An average district just has a different cop go to court and lie for them, and a bad district just puts them on the stand anyways. I'm not sure what you thought the punishment was but for many police forces in the US the "punishment" is not having to put on your dress uniform to go to court anymore.

Having empty cans is "open containers" in every state I've lived in.

Your thought experiments are nice, but the police aren't acting in good faith. The laws and thought experiments assume police act in good faith and it's just not true.

Maggoty ,

Not stopping for a traffic stop would be obstructing the police or something. Or, and this is super duper crazy, we could just take their license plate and send them the bill for speeding. It's a civil offense. There's no reason to get a police officer involved at all. If they're driving erratically then it falls under the same heading as running away from any other crime. The erratic driving is already the crime. There's no reason other than, "peasants must obey" to outlaw fleeing. They've already committed a crime and already need to be apprehended. Making them double need to be apprehended doesn't help society in any way.

Rape isn't a human experience. There's no "rape reflex" in our heads. That's jumping to an extreme and illogical.

Bodycams being used for corrupt purposes by a corrupt force is not a micro technicality, it's the entire fucking point.

And nope, they will accuse you of crushing them while you were waiting for the cop to run your plates. An empty container is assumed to have been fully drunk while driving.

They don't get their overtime by doing nothing. Only "earners" get the perks. And the courts and prosecutors are partial to the police because they need them to do their jobs and the police have power over them too. When Phoenix City officials in Arizona decided to not renew the Maricopa County Sheriff's contract because of all the shit Sheriff Arpaio was doing he straight up harrassed them. Then he tried to do it to the Maricopa County board and several prosecutors as well. It's only because it's an elected position that he was taken care of eventually. And that's just the one I saw personally. These cases are all over the place. If you look up Judges sending kids to Juvie for kickbacks you have to specify which scandal you mean.

The system is not on your side.

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