Aceticon

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Aceticon ,

Germany depends on the votes of Spain and Ireland at the EU for a lot of things that Germany finds important.

If a measure at the EU level has enough consensus and Germany vetoes it, they'll see other members be a lot more likelly to use veto power on things that mostly matter for Germany.

Since Germany are in the curious position of being the EU member that benefits the most from the Free Market (they're the biggest exporter and their biggest market by far is the rest of the EU) and the Euro (their currency now is a lot weaker and hence they're more competitive because it's a currency union with far weaker countries, than it was back in the deutsche mark times), they can't even threathen to leave the EU as that would a bit like threatenning almost everybody else with a good time whilst they shot themselves on both feet.

Still, the most likely outcome is going to be nothing at all getting done at EU level, either way, if only because that's always the most likely outcome.

Aceticon ,

Oh, have no doubt about that.

And it's pretty straightforwardly so: for example claiming that somebody demonstrating against the killing of children by Israel is an anti-semite is implying that killing children is a Jewish thing to do, which is incredibly close to the "Jews eat babies" kind of propaganda from the Nazis: even the worst actual antisemites in the present day weren't going around claiming that murdering children is a Jewish thing to do.

That's just how out of control the Israeli ultra-violent and extremelly racist Fascists and their racist Fascist supporters in places like the US are.

Aceticon ,

All that work putting together a "humanitarian help" system which was only ever meant as propaganda and never meant to actual put a dent in Israel's Final Solution of death by Starvation, and Biden throws all that aways like this.

Bet even his Campaign and Press people are pissed of at that one, though probably not for "normal person empathising with the suffering of others" reasons.

Aceticon ,

Nazis will nazi.

Aceticon ,

When both America and Israel accuse anybody demonstrating against the killing of children by the IDF as being antisemites they're implying that killing children is a Jewish thing to do, because there is no doubt or denying that the IDF is killing children and they're not even denying it.

The real antisemitism is doing and supporting highly immoral deeds and then when criticised for those specific deeds claim that those criticizing it are against Jews, because that's saying that the people doing said highly immoral deeds represent all Jews and the highly immoral deeds themselves are the product of Jewish values.

Not even the worst antisemites since the time of the Nazis (with their "Jews eat babies" kind of propaganda) have associated mass murder of children, journalists and medical personnel with Jewishness and yet here we are with Zionists doing exactly that.

People making fun of that strategy from the Israeli and American administrations are doing more to undo the damage done by those politicians as they shamellessly bind some of the most evil actions imaginable with Jewishness by using that accusation in an attempt to silence criticism of those action, than any amount of "but, but, but think about the Jews!" propagandists: the best thing for Jews in general is exactly that people aren't thinking about Jews when they think about Zionists, Israel, their actions and their propaganda.

Aceticon ,

It's unclear were exactly France is on this, though I agree that Italy under the current far-right government is unlikelly to recognize Palestine.

I'm mostly thinking about the Financial stuff: none of the so called PIIGS forgot how they and their populations were sacrificed to save German banks and a "Let's fuck Germany" posture wouldn't at all be a hard sell in those countries plus I very much doubt that generally not doing what's good for Germany would be bad for those countries since they're almost opposite to Germany in the forms by which their economies can benefit from the Euro - they would actually grow more in an Euro without Germany.

I'm also not so sure that a German exit would end up being bad for the rest of the EU, especially for the less export oriented and more peripheral countries like Spain - certainly an Euro minus Germany would actually be better for everybody else but Germany (as Germany pushes up the value of the Euro, making other Euro nations less competitive and partly explaining their anemic growth and lack of funds to restructure their Economies, which is the other big reason for their anemic growth) though granted it depends on how important are exports to Germany in each economy, though on non-Euro EU matters you might be right. In summary and as I said before, almost nobody else but Germany benefits from Germany's Euro membership and the kind of nations that would be least affected by a Deutschexit are the ones who have no borders with Germany, a group that includes Spain, Ireland and Norway (though the latter is not an EU member and hence has no vote or veto so doesn't really apply for the scenario we are discussing).

Ireland, Spain and Norway to recognise Palestinian state ( www.theguardian.com )

Ireland, Spain and Norway have announced they will formally recognise a Palestinian state on 28 May, triggering an immediate response from Israel, which said it would retaliate by recalling its ambassadors from Dublin, Madrid and Oslo, and withholding vital funds from the Palestinian Authority....

Aceticon ,

The only reason why these countries are not immediatelly sanctioned by the Biden Administration is because it would start a Trade War with the whole of the EU which would really fuck up the US and cause even more EU nations to do the same things as these three.

Aceticon ,

That's an intrepretation only possible if you ignore most of that post.

The logical interpretation after reading the entire post is that they hope this will lead to the end of Appartheid in Israel.

Or are you saying that there is no possible way for Israel to exist either than as an ultra racist etnostate that systemically discriminates against a part of its population based on their etnicity? Because that's the only way you could logically claim that Israel without Appartheid would not exist.

Aceticon ,

The simplest way to "stop Trump" is for Biden to stop supporting Israel's genocide and yet the Democratic Party sock puppets never ever demand that Biden stops supporting Israel's genocide and instead it's everybody else who is to blame for the increasing likelihood that Trump won't get stopped even while Biden doesn't shift an inch on his position.

It's quite the "curious" take that Biden shouldn't have to stop supporting genocide even to "stop Trump" and instead it's everybody else who has a moral obligation to vote for a shamelessly committed genocide supporter to "stop Trump".

The whole thing has a heavy heavy stink of "the boss is always right and you have to support the boss or else" of both Dictatorships and Criminal Organisations.

Aceticon ,

Or specifically in this case and paraphrasing somebody else adaptation on this and the original author's whole point:

"First they came for Palestinians but because I was not a Palestinian I did nothing"

Aceticon ,

Real tankies can only name Soviet and Chinese tanks.

Aceticon ,

There is no more tank friendly bahn in Deutschland than the autobahn!

Aceticon ,

It was never meant to, as it would interfere with Israel's use of Starvation as a cheap Final Solution for Gaza.

It was only ever meant to generate the right kind of images on TV in order to sway enough Progressives to keep voting for Biden so that he wins the upcoming election.

The whole thing is pretty much like a slum landlord loudly "giving money to Charity" whilst squeezing large numbers of poor tenants who have no other options with expensive rents and bad conditions: a symbolic "positive" action propagandized very loudly while far vaster negative actions are kept as much as possible quiet, so that for outside observers - who judge the scope of those actions by what they see rather than what is actually happenning - the total looks like positive and they conclude this is a good person.

Of course, as per the track record of the American and Israeli propaganda so far, the failure of something which was always meant to fail is, just like every single bad action by Israel without exception, blamed on Hamas.

Aceticon ,

One was heavilly charged and hence angry.

The other was also heavilly charged (the other way around) and hence angry.

Together they have just the right charge and hence are both chill.

Aceticon ,

Which explains why the English are even running surveillance planes in the area and sending the data to the Israelis.

Aceticon ,

Maybe it's because they still remember how things were under Fascism in the times of Franco.

Also there is quite the cleavage in Spanish Politics between a Fascists-turned-Democrate mainstream (plus actual Fascists, in the form of the Vox Party) and the old center-left (which like the rest of the mainstream in Europe have been moving ever more rightwards) which is currently in Government, so maybe there is a "Screw you Fascists!" factor that helped convince the party in Government there to do this.

But yeah, I'm in next door Portugal which has a similar history to Spain (though the Portuguese actually rebelled against and overthrew the Fascists - unlike the Spanish - which is probably why the mainstream Right in Portugal are nowhere as Fascist-inspired as in Spain) and the politicians in power seem to have chosen ultimate neutrality on this (well, at least this time around our provincial limp-dick politicians aren't straight up kissing American and German ass as they usually do) even though the party that recently got power (which is the straighforward Rightwing mainstream one and have a minority Government) earlier in the whole Gaza thing was quite pro-Israel, but seemed to have switched to a "we would rather not talk about it" posture since the coverage in the mainstream news here doesn't seem to try to hide anything when it comes to what's going on in Gaza (with things like showing lines of corpses after an Israeli bombing including clearly child-shapped ones and being pretty open about Israel killing journalists and medical personnel) and in a country were culturally people value empathy a lot, continue to side with Israel as people keep hearing about and at times seeing murdered chilren, journalists and medical personnel on TV would be a very bad strategy for a minority Government - even the local Far Right avoids mentioning that specific subject.

Aceticon ,

Spain has XXI century Western Values, unlike the US which seems to have never entered the XXI century when it comes to Humanist values and Israel which at best has the Western Values of early XX century Germany.

Aceticon ,

And when you get it the bread is cardboard, the cheese is cheap factory stuff but there is little flag pinned on top and sauces with quit daring appearences (some kind of gel with little stars and a bright fluerscent yellow one) have been applied with a clear decorative intent.

Aceticon ,

Well, we're already getting to the point were anybody not supporting a Zionist Genocide is deemed a "tankie" (a word which means "authoritarian communist") in their propaganda.

Aceticon ,

The even bigger picture is the trend of things getting progressivelly worse even when Democrats are at the helm.

For example, it was Clinton that reppealed the Glass-Steagal Act which in turn led to hyperfinancialization and the 2008 Crash and it was Obama who chose to then save Asset owners in general (i.e. the Wealthy), unconditionally and on the backs of everybody else, leading to the slowest recovery from a Crash ever and all the imballances of the US Economy at the moment which as manifesting themselves as a complete total collapse in Social Mobility and rise of Inequality and Poverty.

Clearly electing Democrats doesn't improve things either.

The problem is of course that the US is not a Democracy (hence how there are only 2 carefully selected real options, which in this election are so bad that they're both hard Genocide supporters) so merelly voting for a President won't solve anything, and the only solution probably involves levels of political activism Americans aren't used to (one might even say they've been conditioned against it) such as General Strikes.

Aceticon ,

The people who fund the pro-Oligarchic Neoliberals who control the Democratic Party are the same people who fund a similar faction plus the Fascist faction in Republican Party, so either way they win.

For them the little mice under the table squealing "Vote Biden to stop Trump!!!" are just entertainment.

Aceticon , (edited )

It's my impression that Historically the slow bloil tends to breed acceptance, not rebellion, and when it doesn't there is generally a long period (decades, even centuries) of misery after the slow decay before people finally force a change for the better.

I can see your point, I just don't agree with your expectation that the slow crumble will be a less painfull way overall to get people to do what it takes to recover than the crash-n-burn - yeah, it's less painful immediatelly, but the pain lasts longer and the depths reached are probably much worse since human perception of how bad a crisis is, is based on where they were before not on absolute terms, so a crash-n-burn (i.e. a crisis, unlike the slow crumble) needs not collapse things quite as badly as the slow crumble to induce a general feeling that "this is unnacceptable".

All that said, I'm fortunate I'm not an American or living in America and that the actions of both Trump and Biden (more the former) have made the US be seen as "not all that great" and "a bad example to follow" over here so the contagion factor for whatever happens over there is a lot less than it would have been a decade or two ago.

I can safelly wonder about all that at an intellectual level safe in a country that's not really going to hurt from the changes taking place in America.

Aceticon , (edited )

Well, I happen to think that the US is finished with its Greatest Power stage, just like every other nation in History that was once the Greatest Power for a while eventually fell of that pedestal, hence you could say you're totally fucked in aggregate. However given the massive disparity in wealth distribution over there and how the gains and the costs of Imperial America are distributed - a few people get most of the gains whilst most people get to pay for the costs such as the Military - it's quite possible that as the US becomes Just Another Big Nation and thus less rich in aggregate, the majority of people are still better off than before because they never really got the benefits of Imperial America whilst having to pay the costs.

Ultimatelly it depends on how much the elites destroy on their way down, which in turn depends on how much people in general fight against or cooperate with their desperate clinging to their elite position in an elite nation.

(By the way, your efficiency point is interesting: you see, one of those ideas of efficiency is long term - specifically the diversification for robustness one - and the other one is short-term. Short term efficiency yield more results moment by moment but does so at the risk of collapse from even relativelly mild external shocks, by which point that system stops operating and has to be rebuilt and if you count those downtimes and the cost of rebuilding, it actually adds up to less in the long run. Long term efficiency as you described it add robustness to shocks hence makes something unlikely to collapse when faced with one, but does so at the cost of less efficiency when things are going fine and there are no shocks. Ultimatelly what is the best efficiency depends of your time-frame: for example a Nation State, which aims to exist ideally forever, should be aiming for long-term efficiency, whilst a speculative investor in the Stock Market naturally only cares about short-term efficiency as they're in-today-out-tomorrow - the former has an outlook measured in decades or centuries and can't exactly "leave the market" in times of crisis, whilst the latter has an outlook of days or months and can just cash out and wait during shock periods or, if they can short, bet in the "things will get worse" direction)

As for your second point, I agree that we don't have enough data and probably never will: the world changes and no two situations are the same so we'll never be sure.

So anything you chose to do is a risk.

However doing nothing is just as much a risk.

Usually change happens when people's judgement of those risks (which is generally flawed) is heavilly tilted to seeing "do nothing" as the greatest risk.

Aceticon ,

Everytime the Zionists imply that being against the mass murder of children is being against Jews a little child dies ... quite literally, either bombed by Israel or snipped by an IDF soldier.

Aceticon ,

So, how much and for how long does one need to support a genocidal fascist movement actively murdering civilians including tens of thousands of children, before it's fair to describe such a person as a genocidal fascist himself?

Aceticon ,

Kinda looks like they're getting a fascist either way - it's kinda hard to make the case that somebody who supports with gifts of weapons and ammo a violent genocidal fascist movement activelly murdering civilians, including tens of thousands of childrens (some of which activelly targetted by snipers and using precision bombs) and activelly targetting medical personnel and journalists, isn't himself a genocidal fascist, no matter what else he says: after all, even Hitler had a good side (he liked dogs) but that didn't make him any less a genocidal fascist.

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Do you activelly help them do good deeds or is your support for them only in your own mind and never voiced or only voiced because you think it's a net positive for you to be preceived as "supporting good people"?

Because what we're talking about with Biden and Zionism is equivalent to a guy who gives guns and ammo to Ku-Klux-Klan members activelly killing Afro-Americans, loudly proclaims he supports the Ku-Klux-Klan, denounces "n*gers" to the Ku-Klux-Klan, all the while loudly proclaiming the Ku-Klux-Klan is only defending themselves, claiming that courts prossecuting Ku-Klux-Klan members are wrong in doing so and that the Ku-Klux-Klan are not racists.

Kinda seems like such a person has well and trully crossed the boundary from "fair person" into "unjust to people who look different", the boundary after than into "racist", the boundary after that into "supporting racially motivated violence" and even the boundary after that into "supporting racially motivated murder".

Sure, such person hasn' actually killed any Afro-Americans himself. Does him not doing himself the deeds he so strongly supports really mean he's not a murder-supporting racist?

Mind you, my methaphor breaks here because the Ku-Klux-Klan didn't murder anywhere as many people as the Zionists, so the metaphor doens't really cover Genocide and supporting it.

Aceticon ,

They have Western Values.

Early XX Century Germany, to be more precise.

Aceticon ,

"One rule for me, another for thee."

Aceticon , (edited )

The "Free Market" is a fantasy originally pushed by Think Tanks funded by the Koch Brothers.

All the great things we're told about The Free Market^TM^ only ever work in highly competitive markets with no barriers to entry were it's easy for any Jane, Jack or Joe to enter the Market and start competing with the rest: thinks like soap or teddy bears.

As soon as something as simple as Land-ownership gets involved (for example, for your store in a prime location) it stops being perfectly competitive and all of a sudden you get feedback loops were the more money somebody does the more money somebody is capable of doing, meaning that first mover advantage is close to unassailable (and what we see in the modern world is that the ones with the biggest first mover advantages inherited them).

The Free Market^TM^ is really just an ideological excuse from neoliberals to convince people that the power of the vote should be indirectly weakenned (sure, you can vote, but the State, which is controlled by voters' elected representatives, can't regulate or otherwise "intervene in the market", so de facto the vote loses most of its power) so that the Power of Money can do whatever it wants because "the Free Market knows best". Dig through the technochratic pseudo-Economic mumbo-jumbo and what you find is a ideology to weaken Democracy and replace it by Oligarchy.

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Go check a place like AliExpress: plenty of those there.

It's not even as if dumbphones are amazingly complicated and highly dependent on complex software to work - the actual complex mobile network stuff comes inside modules that do most of the work.

If dumbphones aren't reaching people's hands in some countries the problem is in distribution or maybe lack or awareness: we do live in a Marketing-heavy society and people are almost conditioned to go for expensive branded stuff.

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I've just breathed new live into an old tablet that, because of all the Samsung Bloatware + system app updates was 95+% full all the time even though it only had something like 4 apps I actually installed and used, by replacing its factory Android with LineageOS.

Now, I have an EE Degree and 25 years experience in developing software, including years of Android.

It still took me researching how to do it over the course of two weeks and actually doing it took me 4 hours and was a massive PITA (I literally had to re-install the factory OS just to toggle the "Allow OEM unlocking" option because my first LineageOS installation that looked fine actually went into a boot-loop on first restart), though the result was well worth it.

(BUT, the version of LineageOS I have has a stupid bug and if I wanted to upgrade it to fix it I would have to compile LineageOS myself for my device, since it's not officially supported - and I used somebody else's precompiled binary - and I'm not sure if I have the time and patience for it).

This is me with all my experience in related domains and who actually did something similar for my brand new phone a few months ago.

Absolutelly, if you are lucky, have the exact right model, somebody else on the Internet did all the work for you in a nice video, the files you needed hadn't yet dissapeared from whatever file sharing cloud storage *#%$ they were place in, and you are technologically inclined, it shouldn't be too hard.

On the other hand, the average person out there doesn't have the technical expertise to even begin to understand what's going on and the whole thing would fail on something as basic as not having the right USB drivers on their computer.

All this to say that your expectation about what people in general are capable of doing is wildly of the mark.

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I suggested AliExpress because it's internationally accessible, but I've actually bough small cheap phones both were I am now, Portugal and were I lived before, the UK from local eBay sellers and even mobile phone repair shops.

It's stuff that costs 20 bucks and the reason for that is because the price of the electronics needed for that really is stupidly cheap nowadays as it's all so heavilly integrated and even in China stuff like circuit board assembly is mostly automated.

Going directly to some seller from China just removes most of the middlemen as well as any brand markups (though the seller is almost certainly a middleman since factories don't usually sell by the unit, at least not in my experience way back when I had a small business importing and selling electronics).

It's the same reason why a perfectly good TV Media Box will cost you €35 (including VAT and shipping) even though that thing has to have enough power and memory to run Android and something like Kodi on top of it, which doesn't apply to a basic mobile phone.

(I've actually made my own basic mobile phone a couple of years ago when playing with Electronics, though it wasn't that practical to use, since it was all stuff hanging from a breadboard and connected to a 2G module ;)

It's shocking just how huge a fraction of the prices we pay nowadays for consumer electronics in the West are markups.

Sure, more complex and expensive devices it does make sense to get it from a brand (though I would advise against big brands, or at least get something you can put a Custom ROM on, beause of enshittification) even if the quality of no-name-Brand goods from China is actually better than it used to be, because it's so much money at stake that the risks of scams, bad quality and inexistent support in getting if from random-Chinese-brand make it maybe not such a good idea for products worth hundreds of dollars (which would also favoured by scammers).

Simple mobile phones, however, are not "complex and expensive devices" nowadays and the same companies making €35 TV media boxes or €50 Single-Board-Computers (like the Banana-Pi or Orange-Pi stuff) have enough expertise to make basic phones and the price of those things is pretty low if you're not expecting similar features as bigger smartphones (i.e. no high resolution screens, not much memory or processing power, no high resolution cameras with good optics) since that's were most of the parts cost is.

But yeah, I get your point and I myself generally have a maximum price point for the stuff I'm willing to source from there since because of the risk involved, but if you're after a mobile phone that costs $20, just get two or source it for a bit more from a local seller in a place like eBay to be a bit safe when it comes to replacements.

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Well, you gotta be asleep to believe the American Dream, so maybe this means a lot of people are waking up.

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That's just a variant of the "We invaded Iraq to free them from the murderous dictator Saddam Hussein" argument of Republicans which sounds great until you notice that the 1.2 million deaths caused by the American invasion (around 140 thousand directly killed) massivelly dwarf the total of deaths caused by Saddam in his entire time in power.

Giving them the "peace of the grave" isn't quite the "good deed" that one might thinking if fixated on the word peace.

Then there's of course the small detail that Israel itself was subsidizing Hamas (curiously, just like the US was doing for Saddam originally) so the whole idea that what they're doing now is really helping Palestinians, beggars belief.

After Iraq, that line of "argument" is beyond the "fool me once shame on you" stage and well into "fool me twice shame on me".

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I'm pretty sure that had it been already fashionable back then for the powerful to use the word, the Résistance Française would've been called "terrorists" by the Nazis in occupied France.

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It's a new way of saying "commie", used because it doesn't instinctivelly make people think of McCarthism and the Red Scare as explicitly using words such as "commie" and "Communist" would.

In other words, rebranding, a Neoliberal speciality.

The Red Scare is not just a thing of the Fascist Far-Right over there: now that they're even cozying up to Genocidal Fascists, the Oligarchic American Far-Right (a.k.a. Neoliberals or just Liberals) are also starting to use the same framing of "Everybody to the left us are Communists" as the Fascists, though, granted, they're more modern and sophisticated than the Fascists and use focus groups and other market research techniques to evaluate the reception of their messaging, which probably showed that words such as "commie" don't go well with their target audience, and things like "tankie" yield much better messaging interiorization and viral spreading thanks the absence of pre-existing skepticism associations, unlike with "commie".

As more and more of the façade of Neoliberalism collapses and it becomes more and more obvious theirs is not a Political Ideology of Properity for the many, that their talk of Merit is complete total bollocks (every single one of the most celebrated "success stories" of the current Era were born rich) and that they're just a slicker, well-funded, marketing-heavy modern pro-Oligarchy Ideology, expect an increase in their demonization of any and all political opponents, much of it already visibily in many countries were Neoliberals call themselves "center" and "moderate" and call any political party who is not Neoliberal "extremists" - equally for leftwing or rightwing - even though the Overtoon Window having moved so much to the Right in 4 decades means most of those to their left who they call extremists defend policies that were considered center-left in the 70s (unions, universal healthcare, social security, progressive taxation, consumer protection, market regulation, nationalized critical infrastructure) whilst to the right of the Neoliberals there's just the Fascists.

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So "thankie" is now used in the US in the same sense as "commie" used to be used in the US: to imply that somebody is an authoritarian communist.

Which is what I wrote.

I never said or implied it the term was invented by neoliberals. I further never said it was used by neoliberals in the correct way, i.e. for actual authoritarian communists.

It's exactly the core of the problem that neoliberals use "tankie" in the same way that "commie" used to be used by old fashioned capitalist: to imply that anybody to the left of them aren't merelly center-right/center-left/left but actually the same as authoritarian communists.

It would be absolutelly fine if Liberals were using "tankie" to refer to actual authoritarian communists only, but that's not what's been happenning at least here in Lemmy: it's been progressivelly applied to those less and less to the left (authoriarian or otherwise) to the point that it's even used for people who disagree with Biden's support for Zionism (an ultra-nationalist etnic fascist ideology) and the Genocide they're committing, or in other words, against those who do not support an etnic cleansing by a fascist government (i.e- those to the left of a position extremelly far to the right of center).

This is similar to how in the old days "commie" was used for, say, people who were in favour of unions, though this present day usage of "tankie" is worse since back in WWII in American "commie" was not used to slander those that did not support the Nazis, though in Nazi Germany accusations of being a Communist were indeed used against anybody that disagreed with Nazism.

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That's a hilarious use of the Chamberlain example given that the large strong nation invading their neighbours and killing massive numbers of civilians is Israel, same as Germany was doing back them, and Israeli politicians, just like the Nazis, keep on spouting some of the most rabidly racist Fascist stuff (including such beauties as "human animals", "final solution" and even sugesting the nuking of Gaza) since ... well ... the Nazis.

Appeasing Israel - the actual large nation occupying their neighbours and mass murdering civilians along etnic lines - would be the closest to what Neville Chamberlain did, but not even Chamberlain actually sent the large aggressor occupier nation Genociding people along etnic lines of his day free military support to accelerate their Genocide, so History from now on will look at Chamberlain with a far less critical view thanks to the present day examples of ultra-racist Fascist Genocide support from the likes of Joe Biden and Olaf Scholz.

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Oh man, that's hilarious.

"Israel razed up the version of the Warsaw Ghetto called Gaza which they themselves created for the etnicity of a neighbouring country, so now it looks like a post-war bombed out German city hence Hamas are more like the Nazis"

It's like claiming that everybody who breathes is like the Nazis because Nazis breathed.

It's pretty desperate to go look for stuff that Hamas didn't actually do but was instead done to not even Hamas but Palestinians, by a completely different force who chose to do it, to claim that because it "looks like German cities at the end of WWII" hence Hamas are the ones more like the Nazis.

Guess what: the guys murdering tens of thousands of children who they call "human animals" along with the rest of an entire people, and who desire a "final solution" are the Zionists, not Hamas, and even if Hamas turn out to be Fascists and would be as bad as the Nazis if they had the chance, we don't know that for sure whilst we do know with absolute certainty that Zionists are ultra-racist etno-nationalist Fascists just like the Nazis who are right know of their own choice purposefully murdering civilians just like the Nazis did.

Hamas isn't even close to the level and kind of ultra-racists supremacist mass murder of civilians being commited by the Zionists along with the most racist dehumanizing excuses since the Nazis. The only in terms of Nazi-like actions and discourse anywhere close to Zionists are the actual Nazis, and even the Nazis didn't purposefully target and murder children and journalists as much as Zionists.

In the Nazi scale, even when seen in the worst possible light Hamas are weak wannabes compared to Zionists.

Aceticon ,

Oh, the massive hypocrisy of Biden refusing to swallow his Zionist principles and stop their Genocide, whilst at the same time sending his tribe's peons around to try and convince millions of people to swallow their Humanist principles and vote for a guy who supports Genocide.

Biden could pretty much guarantee a win tomorrow by announcing that it has been determined that Israel is indeed committing war crimes, followed by cutting support for them as per the Law when the recipient of help is committing such crimes, ideally followed by sanctions.

Yet he doesn't and instead there's a clear propaganda op with repeated variations of the claim that "Not being for Biden is being for Trump" (which, curiously, is just the authoritarianist argument "those who are not with us are agains us").

Why does the supposedly elected representative of all Americans firmly refuse to follow Americans as they turned against the Zionist Genocide and instead acts like all dictators by doing what he himself wants disregarding the will of those he is supposed to represent?

The argument of this and other similar posts which have innundated Lemmy would be a lot stronger if Biden wasn't an example of doing the exact opposite of what these posts demand from others, both the part of doing whatever it takes to stop Trump (which, as I explained above. Biden is not) and swallowing one's principles to stop something worse (i.e. Biden stopping acting as a Zionist in order to secure the votes to guarantee that Trump is stopped).

Aceticon ,

Ah, an Ad Hominen: hadn't seen one of those in at least 5 minutes.

How about you address my point that Biden isn't willing to abdicate just one of his principles (support for Zionism, which is not even an especially moral one) to "Stop Trump" whilst sending peons of his tribe around demanding that millions abdicate their principles (and Humanist ones, which are about the most Moral principles one can have) and vote for him - somebody supporting an ongoing Genocide - to "Stop Trump".

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doesn’t stop Very Serious Leftists™ from parroting it over and over and over again.

Mind you the cartoon is already heavilly Red Scare "anybody that disagrees is a Communist" so I'm not suprised with the whole implying that I'm a "commie" for disagreing with your political tribe.

By the way, you're still refusing to answer the question of why Biden won't do himself what he demands from others...

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You're right and that was an exageration.

That said, given the polls I saw mentioned here a few weeks ago, a majority of American is against what Israel is doing in Gaza, especially amongst Democrats.

Surelly a strategy of "ultimate neutrality" would do a lot more to hold Democrat and Democrat-leaning votes than a strategy of "Zionist all the way plus symbolic things like holding a single ammo shipment for a few days" (especially considering that every symbolic act that innevitably turns out to be bullshit slowly but surelly undermines trust in Biden, not just for this but for all messaging from him and his campaign, which whilst not affecting tribalists - who are true believers no matter what - most definitelly affects people for whom "I'm a Democrat" is not at the level of personal identity).

That would mean the first part of what I suggested: "announcing that it has been determined that Israel is indeed committing war crimes, followed by cutting support for them as per the Law when the recipient of help is committing such crimes". I confess I tackled sanctions there out of wishful thinking (hence prefixing it with "ideally").

Please help me understand how "keep sending Netanyahu 2000lb bombs which he is using to kill children, doctors and journalists" is supposed to secure more votes than it loses. Which votes exactly does he expect to get from it that would otherwise not vote for him or vote Trump and how exactly are those such a huge fraction of votes that they can offset the votes he risks losing from people with even just some basic human empathy (they don't even need to be lefties)? Does the Biden Campaign team actually expects that Republicans will vote for him instead of Trump if he's pro-Genocide or that people's revulsion at seeing pictures of dead children will be easily forgotten at the pools and they'll vote for a guy helping it happen?

Rationally, is it really the strategy that maximizes the chances of "Stop Trump" (as everybody else is being told by Biden they have to do) to keep on sending Weapons & Ammo to Israel and providing them with Intel whilst they keep on murdering civilians shamelessly and the cabinet members over there utter some of the mosts vile ultra-racist Nazi-like stuff since, well, the actual Nazis, and relying on an astroturfing campaign to convince the people with more Humanist leanings to overcome outright disgust and revulsion to vote for the guy helping the murders murder more?

In my opinion, the safest strategy for a Democrat is then one I called above "ultimate neutrality". That being so, the possible reasons for Biden to do otherwise would be all kinds of shady (one can even say "sociopath" and maybe even "evil") and in direct confrontation with the stated objective of "Stop Trump", which is why I started my original post by pointing Biden and his peon's hypocrisy why demanding that others swallong their principles and vote for him to do just that.

Does Team Biden really expect that fear for LGBT people being treated like second class citizens in America will be a stronger emotion for most people than images of little corpses wrapped in sheets amongst the bigger corpses after Israel bombed a refugee camp lilke I saw yesterday on TV???!

Aceticon ,

"This is my place, my place"

"Your place is is Africa! In Africa! Not here"

Shouts the Russian Israeli in a Portuguese square to the Portuguese demonstrating there against the actions of the nation he chose to live in.

Wow, just wow.

Aceticon ,

Somebody who is not a software developer or is a junior one who only ever worked in one or two major projects and got lucky (really depends on the country and the industry) might believe it.

It's hardly unusual for people who only ever worked in one place to think everything is like that, and some of those do get lucky (not all software development environments out there are like the US Tech Industry) and end up right after Uni in a place with some good senior techies that make sure environments are properly set up.

Also in-house development in industries were software is mission critical and new versions breaking Production might result in massive losses or death (for example, Finance) always have proper Testing and Staging environments - you don't really want to lose millions of dollars (possibly hundreds of millions if unlucky) by having all the traders in a Trading Floor twidling their thumbs because somebody didn't do, before pushing to Production, proper integration testing in Staging of some comms protocol changes done for two different systems.

Aceticon ,

Hadn't heard about it before (or maybe I did but never looked into it), so I just went and found it in Wikipedia and will be reading all about it.

So thanks for the info!

Aceticon ,

It's still not dialect.

It's merelly a few words.

The whole thing is a storm in a teacup from a conservative newspaper.

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