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Redakteur im Newsroom von @heiseonline

Dort schreibe ich über die #IT, vor allem auch zu gesellschaftlichen Folgen von #Internet, #SocialMedia, #KI & Co. – und dann natürlich zu #Astronomie und #Raumfahrt. Hier geht's aktuell auch noch viel um #Mastodon, alles jetzt searchable und #fedi22

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mho , to News from fediverse
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In the latest episode of his podcast @pjvogt talks about how might soon destroy many websites:
https://megaphone.link/CAD6984549408

Guest @caseynewton makes the case, that the might save the "good internet".

But both are just scratching the surface and PJ later asks the listeners, if he should make an episode about the Fediverse. I would really like to hear that. But with whom as guest/expert? @mike ?@tchambers ? Ideas?@reckless1280 ?

mho , to News from fediverse German
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Hat hier schon jemand die Brücke zwischen dem und ausprobiert?

von @snarfed.org@snarfed.org (https://fed.brid.gy/docs).

Hat durchaus noch Probleme, aber prinzipiell funktioniert es und das ist natürlich richtig cool. Gibt schon Accounts da drüben, denen ich gerne von hier folgen würde. Meiner ist schon verbunden: @fingolas.bsky.social@bsky.brid.gy

Hab drüben auch drauf verwiesen:
https://bsky.app/profile/fingolas.bsky.social/post/3kshzyfhseb2u

mho , to News from fediverse
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Now that the grows and grows, I'm more and more convinced, that the best way to access it, doesn't yet exist. There is no way of really experiencing the diversity right now.

But what would such an need?

  • different tabs for different media types (microblog, longform etc.)
  • show content more like how it looks, where it's from (, etc.)
  • when posting content support all the features of the platform, you're posting on

What else?

mho , to Random stuff
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There are so many accounts by the media on , that could but do not yet federate. Doesn't make much sense to ask here for them to do that, so I posted something over there.

If you have an account and want more of the media federating, feel free to share the post:
https://www.threads.net/@fingolas/post/C6W2vcxIHgA

I'm collecting the ones I find here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MKBARDB-JDI0BfiXvOhet0okFL_l2Au2uhzK6fmFK74/edit#gid=1993864896

mho , to Media Industry Discussions
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I started a 4th self-updating table, this time of accounts on that have activated federation (aka "that can be followed from ). Is this useful, do we need that? I fear that this will grow quickly and I will definitely need help finding all acounts. But if there's interest, I can try.

Here it is (the Dashboard is not yet very useful, I know):
⏩ https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MKBARDB-JDI0BfiXvOhet0okFL_l2Au2uhzK6fmFK74/edit#gid=1993864896

Suggestions of accounts are welcome.

mho , to News from fediverse German
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Dann auch noch kurz auf Deutsch: Jetzt, da der Account von @heiseonline auf @Flipboard föderiert wurde und Teil des ist, kann ich ja eigentlich den Traffic von dort und den von addieren, oder?

OK, solange noch nicht vollständig Teil des Fediverse ist, ist das etwas irreführend, aber das soll ja kommen. Ist also eine Vorschau 😉

Jedenfalls überholen beide so X/ und nehmen ins Visier (also in Bezug auf Trafficquellen).

mho , to News from fediverse
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Last week the account from @heiseonline on was federated, which means that I can add up from @heiseonline to the , right?

I know, I know. That's not quite right (at least not yet), but if you may this graph is like a preview: It shows traffic to heise.de from various sources, with and summed up under since our account on @Flipboard was federated.

It seems like is no longer the competition, it's . 😎

mho , to News from fediverse
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This is strange: @heiseonline (on ) is among the first German organizations, that were now federated by @Flipboard.

In the app I see the number of -followers, but when I log into the flipboard-account, I don't see interactions from & Co.

OK, maybe it's just not "really" federated, fair enough. But if I change the URL to sth I know from Mastodon, like https://flipboard.com/directory, the page breaks and I suddenly see fediverse-interactions. What's up there, @mike?

mho OP ,
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@heiseonline @Flipboard @mike

This is how it looks. The notifications are right/complete, the rest not so much.

mho , to News from fediverse German
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Woop, woop!! 🥳 @heiseonline ist jetzt im . Ich bin sehr gespannt auf die Zahlen! Gerne auch folgen. Thx @Flipboard

Außerdem hier:
AD Germany, @ad_germany
Glamour Germany,@GlamourGermany
GQ Germany, @GQ_Germany
Handelsblatt, @Handelsblatt
National Geographic Deutschland, @NatGeoDE
Spektrum der Wissenschaft, @Spektrumverlag
Tagesspiegel, @Tagesspiegel
t3n, @t3n
VOGUE Germany, @VOGUE_Germany
Wirtschaftswoche, @WiWoOnline
ZEIT ONLINE, @ZEITONLINE

mho , to Random stuff
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Wow, this looks really cool!! @phanpy has a new feature called that I only found just now. It shows a really nice-looking overview over the last hours in your timeline. You can filter by original posts, boosts, followed hashtags etc.

And it even gives you the most mentioned links in that time period. I'm pretty sure, that this will now become my go-to feature in the morning to get up to speed.
You can try it out in your browser.

Well done, @cheeaun!

mho , to News from fediverse
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Another update regarding sources for the 4th biggest (verified) media account on (😉 https://social.heise.de/@mho/112047900698036017):

At @heiseonline we're still not seeing all the traffic from the (the "preview-problem"), but Mastodon grew again. still in front of #X / , & don't really matter.

Can't wait, until @Flipboard finally federates our account so that I can add it to the Fediverse. And for the fixed preview-cards on , of course.

mho , to News from fediverse German
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Zeit für ein Update zu den Zugriffszahlen auf @heiseonline über etc.

Zwar sehen wir weiterhin nicht allen aus dem (das Problem mit den Artikelvorschauen ohne URL-Parameter), aber die Zahlen sind gestiegen. Vorn weiter vor #X / . und abgeschlagen.

Ich warte weiter, dass @Flipboard föderiert, dann kann ich das zum Fediverse addieren. Und natürlich auf Version 4.3.0, damit wir wieder ein klares Bild zu Mastodon/Fediverse bekommen.

mho , to Japan
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🥳

300 verified media organizations in 20 languages on ! More than 250 active in the last 30 days.

Check it out:
⏩https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ixsccIFQ4uD2HFlf92Ag7VS3rNOGwa97wFsSb3JxCwo/edit#gid=1993864896

Less than half are in now, the rest are in , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , & .


mho , to Media Industry Discussions
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I'm still finding verified from sites and organizations on for my list:

Now it contains more than 230 accounts in 16 languages. is still far in front, but is growing fast. And there are accounts in , , , , , , , , , , , , & .

The majority is very active.

Have a look:
⏩ https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ixsccIFQ4uD2HFlf92Ag7VS3rNOGwa97wFsSb3JxCwo/edit#gid=876665327

mho , to Media Industry Discussions
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And here are now self-updating lists of official & verified accounts on :

⏩ https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ixsccIFQ4uD2HFlf92Ag7VS3rNOGwa97wFsSb3JxCwo/edit#gid=876665327

It's still very , thanks to the extensive groundwork by @Sebastian (thanks for that), but I want to add many many more.

Suggestions for accounts I should add are very welcome (but verified and official only). Shares also 😉





mho OP ,
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@confusedbunny @chortle @mirror

@BleepingComputer is verified and added now. The rest not, as far as I can see.

mastodonmigration , to Media Industry Discussions
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Want to find ACTIVE journalists on Mastodon? This spreadsheet is just amazing. A couple days ago Martin Holland @mho posted a project of his to promote journalists. It starts with known journalism accounts from the @tchambers list, but also tracks their activity, so you can see who is actually posting regularly.

This is an absolutely wonder resource, and a great asset for the fediverse!

Check it out!

⏩https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uWj0j_AL6YQMK87U7_CFpvudK-Aygtx7Bea3fbjxgyo/edit#gid=1993864896

Martin's Feb. 7th post: https://social.heise.de/@mho/111891959279804843

mho ,
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@briankrebs
Of course!

mho ,
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@xdydx @Sironimo
Please, build more stuff. Clearly people like it and I will share it. I love new ideas and recommendations for interesting accounts here.

mho , to News from fediverse
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My second set of always up-to-date tables with -accounts contains mainly ones from , but maybe it is of interest for others too: They collect only accounts from state-owned instances in 🇩🇪 🇦🇹 🇨🇭 🇪🇺

The lists are ranked by number of followers or the date of their last post. The biggest ist @EU_Commission

⏩ https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17__HLo0Bobcx4IgvEm4_LTdYD3JxQCJjotWDNjIHNdw/edit#gid=1602783437

Next, I want to build something for media organizations. 🤞🏼

mho , to News from fediverse German
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Jetzt, da ich den Workflow gefunden habe, kann ich endlich machen, was ich mir vorgenommen habe.

Hier gibt's ab jetzt zum Beispiel eine stets aktuelle Tabelle von > 250 -Accounts auf staatlichen Instanzen in 🇩🇪 🇦🇹 🇨🇭 🇪🇺

⏩ https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17__HLo0Bobcx4IgvEm4_LTdYD3JxQCJjotWDNjIHNdw/edit#gid=1602783437

Einmal sortiert nach Followern, einmal sortiert nach letzter Aktivität. Weitere solche Tabellen sind geplant, die erste gab's hier:
https://social.heise.de/@mho/111891959279804843

mho , to News from fediverse German
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It finally works! 🤞🏼

Here is a table of more than 1000 journalists on , that updates itself – showing the ones most active, most followed etc. I took the wonderful table by @tchambers as foundation, but deleted some media organizations, so that it only contains accounts from people.
I want to make another for media accounts (and maybe even more 🤔).

Have a look!

⏩ ️https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uWj0j_AL6YQMK87U7_CFpvudK-Aygtx7Bea3fbjxgyo/edit#gid=1993864896

mho OP ,
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Well, let's see if it breaks this time 😉

I hope, that some will find this helpful. But to be honest, I am a bit embarrassed, at how I got this to work: I'm using the account @JournalistsOnMastodon: It follows (or better tries to follow) this accounts:
https://github.com/fingolas23/JournalistsOnMastodon/blob/main/accounts.csv

A modified version of this script (https://blog.tomaszdunia.pl/mastodon-api-followers-following-eng/) by @to3k then regularly creates a table, containing the details of all the accounts. grabs this and creates two versions of the table.

mho OP ,
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@calispera @tchambers I'm still working on that. Maybe add it to the GitHub-List oder mention it to @JournalistsOnMastodon. Work in progress 😉

mho , to News from fediverse
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Just a quick update regarding sources for @heiseonline:

I still can track only a part of the traffic that comes via (the issue with the stripped URLs in the preview), but as you can see, #X/Twitter was overtaken – by @Flipboard. And soon this traffic will come from the .

But as I've said multiple times, I'm certain, that already the is generating more traffic than , but I can't prove it – yet.

and are still far, far behind.

mho , to Random stuff
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Getting Tangled Up in Threads - We Distribute

As rolls out capabilities and tests out Fediverse compatibility, people are getting worked up over what's next.

"A part of me remains incredibly optimistic: the might actually hit an inflection point that transforms the entire Internet for billions of people. In our battle against social siloes and surveillance capitalism, we might find that the Fediverse won."

https://wedistribute.org/2023/12/tangled-up-threads/

mho , to Non Political Twitter
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And in English: On week of in , and it has been getting calmer already:

@heiseonline got eight times as much traffic from #X/ as from Threads. From came half as much as from X, but we still don't see a good part. It certainly is quite a bit higher.

If you put that in comparison to the number of followers on each platform, is still in the lead, Threads only in place 4.

(🧵 1/3)

mho OP ,
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But there is one big caveat: On #X, and all of our articles are being posted (automatically). That's not (yet) possible on , so there are far fewer posts and links, that are put there manually.

If you take that in account and compare only articles, that were also linked to on Threads, it's far in the lead.

(That's also how I analyzed the performance of in the first months.)

(🧵 2/3)

mho OP ,
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Of course, that's quite a lot of fiddling. The absolute numbers are still minimal.

Much more interesting is @Flipboard, a platform that is now going full-in into the . If you want to get the to the people, it's the much more obvious way than #X, , and . And, I think, we overlooked it a bit.

Although https://flipboard.com/@heiseonline has just 6000 follower, the traffic (in absolute numbers) from there is already on par with .

(🧵 3/3)

Visits per follower only on article shared on Threads, Flipboard also in the lead.

mho , to Random stuff
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So, accounts on will have to opt-in to with and the .

https://www.threads.net/@mosseri/post/C051TLnud8U

Correct me, if I'm wrong, but doesn't that change the whole debate here? Only a small part of user base will do that. The majority doesn't know about the , and won't care.

But that also means that there won't be a flood of content/accounts/stuff from Threads here in the Fediverse. For the most part, both will stay separated.

mho OP ,
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For that makes it substantially easier to moderate for the : They only have to keep an eye on accounts, that opted-in to the federation. (Of course, only if they even want to moderate)

For people (say some journalists), who like and the , but who miss some or large parts of the former user base of , this will create an incentive to migrate to even. There, they have potentially all connections.

mho OP ,
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If they had hoped for to federate for getting all their connections back, this is a blow. Now they have to hope, that the people on they want to connect with, opt-in to the federation.

But it gives another incentive to and the to advertise itself. Not something, both were especially good in the past, to be honest.

mho OP ,
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@benny
Ganz ehrlich, wer sich in den vergangenen 12 Monaten hier nicht niedergelassen hat, warum sollte der/die jetzt noch kommen?

mho OP ,
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@Gargron @benny
Das stimmt natürlich. War so auch nicht unbedingt zu erwarten.

Es ist aber schon bemerkenswert, wer in den vergangenen 12 Monaten hergekommen ist (wir ja mit eigener Instanz), wer nur kurz da war und wer gar nicht gekommen ist, aber jetzt bei der Einführung von direkt dabei war.

Wenn man auch im föderierten Threads nicht automatisch alle (oder auch nur die meisten) Accounts aus dem Fediverse heraus erreichen kann, dürfte das die Anziehungskraft verringern.

mho , to Non Political Twitter
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There are more and more -Accounts appearing in .
They are new, right? Like for example @espn or @cbssports. Yet, they have tens or hundreds of thousands of followers already. Are these numbers correct (they are different from the follower-numbers on Flipboard itself)?

Would vindicate Flipboard's step into the .

And on that note: What is ? There are multiple mirror-accounts for with millions (!) of followers? What's happening there?

mho OP ,
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@Flipboard
Thanks for the answer: For the new accounts (congrats on that!) I see the Fediverse-number. Only for @espn and @cbssports not.
But maybe it’s just a cache-thing.

Thank you for changing it!

mho , to Media Industry Discussions
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My always-up-to-date list of German organizations on still works:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vurTPG6MEfvvEz6kVsI759GCoub1DbTA6vx2Tkc8gzg/edit#gid=2086576453

A better technical solution (without Google) is in the works. So why not prepare one for international media as well?
Can you point me to verified (!) accounts on Mastodon or the from newspapers/magazines/media etc.? Please, not individual journalists, that's a separate table. And where should I collect it (GoogleDocs, Github)?

mho , to Media Industry Discussions
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Hey & , look what I build: It's an updated table of @tchambers list of journalists in here, that stays up-to-date with data on and when they were last active: Out of the ~1400 accounts about one third is still active 🥳

Here is the table as website:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vTjrG-NeOiIvHAGXxHEik19I4jXH98mfQrCA24nUzKgOLood5IAvAgzRN2ejnIguu7YP2BvRzmG5DiK/pubhtml?gid=2086576453&single=true

Here as table (filter via "Data" > "Filter views" > "Create new temporary filter view")
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1U1SW8VOqSVPYUfGSMo6CG92ZIvGAdeU9i5rwYXCeuuE/edit#gid=2086576453

mho OP , (edited )
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What dou you think, @taylorlorenz, @drewharwell, @mmasnick, @emptywheel, @w7voa, @anneapplebaum? You're on top of the list ☝️

I also found this funny last post from @mollyjongfast 😅 She wasn't back for long..

CC @Gargron @MastodonMigration @fediversereport @Mastodon

mho , to Random stuff German
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Ich hab mich mal inspirieren lassen und eine sich selbst aktualisierende Tabelle der Accounts von deutschsprachigen Medien auf gebaut:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vQt9fuKqMiuY8aQWfqWtohqciKqBKUxopy2iY2FldwRGW87e--MGiRwqE8LwXINi6v5mzifSi2483p7/pubhtml?gid=2086576453&single=true

Zu den Accounts gibt es darin Angaben zur Followerzahl, zur Durchsuchbarkeit, zur Aktivität und mehr. Die Accounts selbst hab ich von der tollen Auflistung von @Sebastian, als Nächstes sollen sie automatisch einfließen.

https://pertsch.social/@Sebastian/110657213905995003

mho , to Random stuff
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I'll do it again in , maybe it is of interest for others too:

@heiseonline is on of the biggest official accounts on by a german media organization. It's now a year old and I had a look into the ~62k followers. Turns out, that federation in the seems to work: Less than a fourth are from mastodon.social, the rest are on more than 1900 different instances.

Original Post:
https://social.heise.de/@mho/111450312122480440

mho OP ,
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Here is another illustration of the instances, showing how dominating mastodon.social still ist.

There are aboute 60 instances, where there are more than 100 followers from @heiseonline. More than 1200 instances have only one follower.

mho OP ,
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If you take the creation date of the accounts following @heiseonline, there is a clear peak in the 4th quarter of 2022 (), since then, there is visible stability: More than 5000 follower where created in each quarter.

If you just take the months and limit them to 2022 and 2023, you see the big peak in November (roughly a third was created then) and the slowdon in summer 2023.

Creation-date of accounts following @heiseonline by month, with the same peak in late 2022, but more info for 2023.

mho OP ,
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Finally the follower by software of their instance: Almost all are from , only from and are each more than 100. On fourth place is already a bridge for the , whch itself is not part of the .

mho OP ,
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☝️

@tchambers
@fediversereport
@laurenshof
@lisamelton
@mmasnick
@jeffjarvis
@MastodonMigration
@Gargron

mho , to Random stuff German
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OK, das ist ziemlich cool: Danke @_max für die Daten!

Die rund 62.000 Follower von @heiseonline verteilen sich ganz schön übers . Mit Abstand am größten natürlich mastodon.social, aber danach wird's doch recht vielfältig. Insgesamt über 1900 Instanzen kommen da zusammen. Die funktioniert, würd ich sagen. Auch wenn die Dominanz schon groß ist.

(🧵 1/X)

mho , to Random stuff
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Wouldn't it be great, if you could filter your in simply by language? Not with a list for accounts, because some people post in multiple languages, but just by language used.

mho , to Non Political Twitter
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#X traffic and monthly active users are in decline

Despite proclamations from X CEO Linda that usage of the social network was at an all-time high this summer, a new report is throwing cold water

"Although the U.S. accounts for roughly a quarter of X’s web traffic, other countries also saw declines in web traffic, including the U.K. (-11.6%), France (-13.4%), Germany (-17.9%) and Australia (-17.5%)."

https://techcrunch.com/2023/10/17/one-year-post-acquisition-x-traffic-and-monthly-active-users-are-in-decline-report-claims/

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