thegibson , to Random stuff
@thegibson@hackers.town avatar

People need to be paying attention to this disinformation being perpetuated by Musk and APTs.

Signal is far better from an encryption POV than Telegram.

If you want to keep those bytes off the record, do NOT use Telegram.

debacle ,
@debacle@framapiaf.org avatar

@bob @thegibson @Mer__edith

And with you even have first class clients (i.e. not Electron) on systems which are neither Google Android nor Apple iOS (e.g. my mobile runs ).

I recommend by @dino, by @gajim, and for those who love the console.

debacle ,
@debacle@framapiaf.org avatar

@bob @thegibson @Mer__edith @dino @gajim

For I suggest by @daniel, or one of its forks, e.g. by @sopranica. They are available on both Google and .

homegrown , to Random stuff
@homegrown@social.growyourown.services avatar

Just set up my own instant messaging server through @snikket_im, the process was very easy and non-technical 👍 Was especially pleased with how they handle the domain name, you can use your own (with lots of help given including an interactive settings tester) or choose a subdomain of snikket.org.

Snikket runs on / and is compatible with non-Snikket servers and apps.

If you're interested in this topic, are there any particular things you would like me to test on Snikket?

Tutanota , to Privacy
@Tutanota@mastodon.social avatar

It's April already - time to check up on your 💪

In case it was choosing over Big Tech, here's what the Tuta community is recommending! 🔒

What are your favorite apps ⁉️

debacle ,
@debacle@framapiaf.org avatar

@Tutanota

: /​, since before the apps you recommend even existed 🙂

https://mov.im/blog/debacle/76bf90a4-5f59-4962-92db-6cd859f42ec9

: , powered by

liaizon , to News from fediverse
@liaizon@wake.st avatar

If everything that communicates thru is called the what is everything that communicates thru called?

debacle ,
@debacle@framapiaf.org avatar

@liaizon

I just call it 🙂

Note, that not everyone limits the use of the term to the AP protocol. Many apply it to AP, Diaspora, Matrix, , etc. After all, communication between the "sub-federations" is possible.

mima , to Random stuff

and didn't kill / . They hammered the final nails of its coffin. Big difference.

The lesson of the XMPP story is that the community shouldn't get complacent just because a big corp is now backing them, support their own smaller developers through any means they can (whether financial or code), put out a unique thing every now and then, and make sure the UX is not horrible for new users. I think , , and got those lessons right (especially the very latter, UX was really horrible in XMPP back then and I think that's what "killed" it if you can even call it that). Not sure about though. Maybe that's what why almost all of the worry I'm hearing about comes predominantly from Mastodon and Mastodon-compatible (in the sense they try to be as compatible with Masto as possible in terms of API) instances. ​:seija_coffee:​

RE: https://fedi.monkee.ch/notes/9reskkjdvl2h0bxh

liaizon , to News from fediverse
@liaizon@wake.st avatar

An important distinction is slowly being uncovered about the definition of the term "fediverse." Who is it that gets to decide what this place is? How are we being represented? These are not easy questions to answer and if we don't do a better job describing ourselves, then the job will get done for us by people who don't understand the underlying values we hold.

youronlyone ,
@youronlyone@c.im avatar

@liaizon Personally, and the way the term was used, since it was first coined, was any software with support (later ).

When there were discussions of having a new name, I ran suggestion threads and polls about it, and one suggestion/choice was mycelial, mycelium. I like it so I started using it myself.

By definition:

  • A mycelium is a single network.
  • A mycelial is a collection of various mycelium.

Adopting it to :

  • The "Fediverse" is one mycelium network.o, based on ActivityPub
  • "The Federation" / * is another mycelium network.
  • is a mycelium network.
  • is another mycelium network.
  • / is a mycelium network.

Together, they are called Mycelial Web. A collection of "decentralised, distributed, federated, and open, network". A subset of the Social Web.

A "sister", if you will, of the Mycelial Web is IRC and e-mail, as examples.

So:
I. Web
A. Social Web

  1. IRC
  2. E-mail
  3. Mycelial Web
  • Fediverse/ActivityPub
  • ATproto
  • diaspora
  • Matrix
  • XMPP

.

m0bi13 , to Random stuff Polish
@m0bi13@pol.social avatar

W nowym dużym wydaniu eJabberD 24.02 udostępniono możliwość logowania do serwerów Matrix. Tak oto nieco starszy świat otwartej zdecentralizowanej komunikacji spotyka się z tym młodszym:

"🌐 Matrix Unleashed: Wyobraź sobie płynne łączenie się z serwerami Matrix – teraz jest to możliwe! otwiera nowe możliwości w komunikacji międzyplatformowej, wspierając bardziej połączony świat wiadomości. Mamy jeszcze trochę do nadrobienia i w tym celu czekamy na Twoją opinię."

P.S. Ciekawostka: plugin LiveChat dla PeerTube to również serwer XMPP, stąd jego ogromne możliwości integracji z "wszystkim" :)

Źródło [EN]:
https://www.process-one.net/blog/ejabberd-24-02/

FediFollows , to Random stuff
@FediFollows@social.growyourown.services avatar

/ picks of the day:

➡️ @joinjabber - Helping ordinary people get started on XMPP instant messaging & calling through https://joinjabber.org

➡️ @xmpp - Foundation maintaining the XMPP standard for instant messaging/calling

➡️ @xmpp_providers - Maintaining curated list of XMPP servers organised by quality

➡️ @snikket_im - Making XMPP easier to use & set up through consistent software/branding

➡️ @gajim - Free open source XMPP desktop app for Linux, Mac, Windows

🧵 1/4

FediFollows OP ,
@FediFollows@social.growyourown.services avatar

/ picks of the day (continued):

➡️ @Monal - FOSS XMPP app for iPhone, iPad, Mac

➡️ @kaidan - Libre KDE XMPP app for Linux, Android

➡️ @prav - FOSS Android XMPP app made by a co-operative in India

➡️ @thunderbird - Although best known as an e-mail app, Thunderbird also supports XMPP messaging

➡️ @dino - FOSS XMPP app for Linux

2/4

FediFollows OP ,
@FediFollows@social.growyourown.services avatar

/ picks of the day (continued):

➡️ @tigase - Private company developing FOSS XMPP server software & apps

➡️ @mellium - Co-op creating Go-based resources for XMPP

➡️ @prosodyim - Libre XMPP server software

3/4

FediFollows OP ,
@FediFollows@social.growyourown.services avatar

/ picks of the day (continued):

The account below is a discussion group. Follow it to see its discussions in your timeline, mention it to post to the group. (More info on how to use Fediverse groups: https://fedi.tips/how-to-use-groups-on-the-fediverse/)

➡️ @xmpp - Discussion group about XMPP / Jabber

PLEASE DON'T REPLY TO THIS PART OF THE THREAD, IT MIGHT SPAM THE GROUP.

4/4

stefano , to Random stuff
@stefano@bsd.cafe avatar

A few months ago, I persuaded a client to abandon an external cloud system and use Nextcloud on their own server instead. Powered by FreeBSD and ZFS, it has already demonstrated its strengths on a couple of occasions (such as in the case of a snapshot rollback). This morning, they expressed the desire to abandon the various WhatsApp groups they use for coordination and to use a solution "all on their servers." I was inspired and quickly installed both an ejabberd and a Matrix server (Synapse) - which they will probably prefer, according to the latest news they sent me - on two FreeBSD jails.

Today, we have the awareness and experience of what it means to give our data to large companies, completely losing control over it. We have the tools, so why not use them?
And I'm really happy when someone like them, thanks to their willingness to try "new" solutions, realizes the alternatives to the colorful, advertised, warmly recommended (by salespeople) "proprietary" solutions.

ruben , to Linux
@ruben@friendship.quest avatar

for people using / . What are the good clients?

I think on MacOS / iOS Monal seems to be the only one that worked for me, but curious about other clients + favorites.

neustradamus , to Random stuff
@neustradamus@mastodon.social avatar
chuck , to Random stuff
@chuck@linuxlab.sh avatar

Interesting, just discovered an XMPP based alternative chat client - recommended by a new acquaintance in my local LUG for snikket.

federated, decentralized XMPP with a standard set of XEP's (if you ever got that deep into xmpp, xeps are the service modules that enable features - think of them as protocol plugins/extensions)

Not sure I'd throw back in with XMPP right now but interesting all the same.

debacle ,
@debacle@framapiaf.org avatar

@chuck @RussSharek

TTBOMK, by @snikket_im uses a branded for Android, and a branded for iOS.

Snikket server is a branded and pre-configured

It should be compatible with every modern client, including for desktop and for web.

matthew , to Random stuff

I've been doing more research on email servers and email hosting.

It would be great to talk with a Sys Admin who handles email for multiple domains and clients.

I am working with a company who has been doing web design and hosting for their web design clients since the '90s.

They hosted their email starting way back when and have been using the same email server pretty much ever since. It needs to be replaced soon.

The question is what to replace it with.

Host our own? And all the complications that come with that.

Manage the email but host somewhere else with a company that specializes in email? Such as MXroute:

https://mxroute.com

Host our own email IMAP accounts, but use a separate service for sending mail so we don't have to worry about deliver-ability?

Let me know if you have experience with a similar situation.

debacle ,
@debacle@framapiaf.org avatar

@matthew @10leej @dsfgs

has a great, dedicated community nowadays, see @xmpp, @joinjabber, @snikket_im and many more.

What does not have: Huge amounts of venture capital. If that is bad or good depends on point of view 🙂

xmpp , to Random stuff
@xmpp@fosstodon.org avatar

Announcement

We'll apply to Google Summer of Code 2024 as umbrella organization!

If you are interested please reach out via gsoc@muc.xmpp.org or https://mail.jabber.org/postorius/lists/gsoc.xmpp.org/

xmpp , to Random stuff
@xmpp@fosstodon.org avatar

25 years ago Jeremy Miller made an announcement of what would become the initiation, development and propagation of the protocol until today!

Join the journey!

https://slashdot.org/story/99/01/04/1621211/open-real-time-messaging-system

Happy birthday,
XMPP!

:xmpp: :xmpp: :xmpp: :xmpp: :xmpp:

kuketzblog , to Privacy German
@kuketzblog@social.tchncs.de avatar

Wenn ihr auf das Jahr 2023 zurückblickt, welche Maßnahme im Bereich IT-Sicherheit und/oder Datenschutz hat euch besonders positive Ergebnisse gebracht - sei es ein Projekt, eine Entscheidung, eine Anpassung oder eine Veränderung?

debacle ,
@debacle@framapiaf.org avatar

@kuketzblog

Bei all den negativen Entwicklungen, insbesondere bei und auf niedrigem Niveau steigende Zahl von Läden und Restaurants, in denen man nicht mehr mit zahlen kann, ist es nicht leicht Positives zu finden.

Immerhin das: Bei gibt es spannende Entwicklungen bzgl. Gateways: Einerseits AP gateway () von @Goffi, andererseits (⇔ Matrix, Signal, Telegram, Whatsapp und mehr) von @nicoco.

m_artigiani , to Random stuff
@m_artigiani@mathstodon.xyz avatar

I had an interaction today that was quite revelatory: I was chatting about a friend on mastodon and got asked "On which mastodon" he was. I really think that we, as a community, are explaining this instance thing quite poorly indeed...

youronlyone ,
@youronlyone@c.im avatar

@m_artigiani Personally, it's not that it's being explained poorly, rather, people are too used to siloed / closed-garden that they find it hard to get their heads around it.

For example, in the / space, we've had since the late 90s, thanks to (formerly known as ). We didn't encounter this issue, people simply understood it like how people understood email.

Then later, there's , which is also a federation. But I haven't heard anyone ask or got confused how it works.

In a way, I would say , , , and the interoperability of and played a role there.

However, when it comes to SNS, majority of people were never exposed to interoperable SNS. Since came out, there never was a federated SNS until 2008 when the was born (then called ).

The / federation is coming in 2024, so we'll see if they'll encounter the same challenges in explaining instances. If they do, or do not (as the BlueSky team are saying they won't have that issue), then we'll know better since we'll have a comparison by then.

For me, I think we've done everything that we can to explain it.

thenewoil Bot , to Privacy
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debacle ,
@debacle@framapiaf.org avatar

@thenewoil

Signal, Threema, Telegram and Wire are centralised, closed systems, which I'm not fond of and wouldn't consider.

Element and SimpleX are alternatives, indeed. However, I'm already on since ≈2014 and forced all my friends and family to use it 🤷

@Tutanota

xmpp , to Random stuff
@xmpp@fosstodon.org avatar

Community

In today's XMPP & Strategic we had folks present from 🇦🇹 🇧🇷 🇨🇦 🇫🇮 🇫🇷 🇩🇪 🇮🇹 🇺🇸
Let us know where else the XMPP community is present?


briankrebs , to Random stuff
@briankrebs@infosec.exchange avatar

One of the more limiting things about Signal is you have to give out your mobile number to everyone. Even if it is a burner, I still don't want to advertise to the world that it's mine.

Was happy to read today that Signal is now beta testing a new username feature.

https://community.signalusers.org/t/public-username-testing-staging-environment/56866

debacle ,
@debacle@framapiaf.org avatar

@briankrebs

I never used Signal for three reasons. Requirement of phone number is one of them.

The other two issues also need to get resolved:

  1. Signal is a centralized service on the Amazon cloud AWS. I want free choice of server, like with / . .

  2. I want a first class citizen client for my OS (Linux / / ), not Electron bloatware. I do not use Android or iOS.

(I'll stay with / , which exists since 1999 and still works fine.)

18+ youronlyone , to Non Political Twitter
@youronlyone@c.im avatar

A fictional way of looking at

  • Web (the multiverse)
  • Zot (a.k.a. protocol universe)
  • galaxy
    -- note 1: communication with the Fediverse is standard practice in this universe.
  • galaxy
    -- note 1: developed a way to communicate across the Mycelial Web (a.k.a. the multiverse). Can also communicate with BlueSky and diaspora.
  • Mycelium (a.k.a. protocol universe)
  • galaxy
    -- note 1: developed a way to communicate across the Mycelial Web (a.k.a. the multiverse). Can also communicate with BlueSky and diaspora.
  • galaxy
  • firefish.social star/solar system
  • galaxy
  • c.im star/solar system
  • galaxy
  • c.wtf star/solar system
  • galaxy
  • pixelfed.social star/solar system
  • Sky Mycelium (a.k.a. universe)
  • galaxy
  • bsky.app star/solar system
  • Mycelium (a.k.a. protocol universe)
  • Matrix Mycelium (a.k.a. protocol universe)
  • Mycelium
  • galaxy
  • galaxy (closed borders; isolated; aware of other mycelium/universes)
  • star/solar system
  • #X Mycelium (closed borders; isolated; have not discovered there are other mycelium/universes besides their own)
  • Mycelium (closed borders; isolated; rumours has it their government decided against connecting with the other mycelium/universes, but they are aware)
  • Mycelium (closed borders; isolated; aware of other mycelium/universes)
  • / Mycelium - collapsed
  • * Mycelium (Diaspora protocol universe)
  • diaspora galaxy empire (software)
  • diasp.org star/solar system (instance)
  • galaxy (software)
  • socialhome.network star/solar system (instance)
  • + ( universe) - collapsed

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